Posts by myelaine

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "Worship would have to begin with some personal idea that an "encounter" had taken place. With something AWESOME and REAL.

This encounter would be their own individual perception OR imagination OR delusion/hallucination, etc...

The EXclusion of others is what religion usually comes down to no matter what!

Why? Because the ludicrous idea that something can be PURE which consists of personal interpretation is above criticism!

GOD or CHRIST or KRISHNA or any other profound orgasmic paroxysm is ENTIRELY personal. Religion pretends it can be Externally judged, dictated, edited, decried or approved by human authority.

This is because humans rabidly insert themselves as GATEKEEPERS (usually for fee! or Power!)"...

I believe that's the reason for the church as a corporate body made up of individuals accountable to God AND each other. the church was started by Jesus and He allowed many people to witness the same awesome miracles(and if you read the accounts, Jesus says these miracles were done to bring glory to God or so that the witnesses would see the glory of God)...it wasn't one person here and one person there and another person somewhere else and then they all magicly found each other and...voila.

a random scenario is inconsistant with a loving God who wants to "sheperd" His people and have then know who He is....He decided to have a body to teach the truth about Him...and He created that body with the orthodox church. He created the church...the church gave us the bible...the Holy Spirit speaks through the church to interpret the bible, otherwise people can and do get the wrong interpretation...the random "mystic" is a metaphor for the one sheep who wanders who "He" would go out to find and bring back to the fold.

...the watchmen see face to face/eye to eye...and they "sing" together...

Your watchmen shall lift up their voices,
With their voices they shall sing together;
For they shall see eye to eye
When the LORD brings back Zion.
Break forth into joy, sing together,
You waste places of Jerusalem!
For the LORD has comforted His people,
He has redeemed Jerusalem.
The LORD has made bare His holy arm
In the eyes of all the nations;
And all the ends of the earth shall see
The salvation of our God. (isaiah 52:8-10)

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Vander...

please don't attempt to take the cheese and run away...

Therefore please hear this, you afflicted,
And drunk but not with wine.
Thus says your Lord,
The LORD and your God,
Who pleads the cause of His people:

“ See, I have taken out of your hand
The cup of trembling,
The dregs of the cup of My fury;
You shall no longer drink it.
But I will put it into the hand of those who afflict you,
Who have said to yoursoul,

‘ Lie down, that we may walk over you.’
And you have laid your body like the ground,
And as the street, for those who walk over.” isaiah 51:21-23

Awake, awake!
Put on your strength, O Zion;
Put on your beautiful garments,
O Jerusalem, the holy city!
For the uncircumcised and the unclean
Shall no longer come to you.
Shake yourself from the dust, arise;
Sit down, O Jerusalem!
Loose yourself from the bonds of your neck,
O captive daughter of Zion!

For thus says the LORD:

“ You have sold yourselves for nothing,
And you shall be redeemed without money.”

For thus says the Lord GOD:

“ My people went down at first
Into Egypt to dwell there;
Then the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.
Now therefore, what have I here,” says the LORD,

“ That My people are taken away for nothing?
Those who rule over them
Make them wail,” says the LORD,

“ And My name is blasphemed continually every day.
Therefore My people shall know My name;
Therefore they shall know in that day
That I am He who speaks:

‘ Behold, it is I.’” isaiah 52:1-6

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Vander...

what did you say?...are you saying that any image that man fashions and calls "christ" isn't wrong to worship? and that the orthodox "religious" isn't the habitation of Jesus Christ any more than say someone who refuses to name Jesus?...you're not articulating what you believe or think.

dear Terry...

so, considering man would be encountering Almighty God, creator of heaven and earth we ought to be reverent towards Him and show reverence toward the "church" He founded as well since He dwells in "it"?

profound statements should make us think...

What profit is the image, that its maker should carve it,
The molded image, a teacher of lies,
That the maker of its mold should trust in it,
To make mute idols?
Woe to him who says to wood, ‘Awake!’
To silent stone, ‘Arise! It shall teach!’
Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver,
Yet in it there is no breath at all.
“ But the LORD is in His holy temple.
Let all the earth keep silence before Him.” habakkuk 2:18-20

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Vander...

the early church had travelling ministers, deacons and elders. congregations of people who met on certain dates and for the reason of breaking bread. http://www.rosarychurch.net/consecration/justin.html do you think that it is important to maintain this as a form of worship? many young people are moving away from formal worship like this and aren't part of a church family...what do you feel will be the possibility of manifestation of a congregation as the elders pass on and there is no one(?) to fill the pews?.

(you can put this in your "for what it's worth" file: I think that the emergence of mystical spirituality and do your own thing god[ess] conscienceness is putting the organized church on a collision course with modernity that is fortold in the bible...2 thess 2:7)

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Terry...

I dislike or am intolerant of very few things. very few things get me wound up as a consequence.

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

"Hey back then I was all onboard with the Michael guy, liked him, talked to him." ...okaaaay...

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SPECIAL INTERVIEW with Jehovah!

by Terry in

you live; you die.

r: but, why give us a bible.

why send jesus to die for us if everything is "meaningless" for us?.

myelaine

lol..."patron st. of the confused"...was that a freudian slip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP5EfwBWgg0

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear designs...

I don't know what their private prayer life is like, their public prayer life is reverent.

I can appreciate their reverent "formula" because I haven't, that I can recall, prayed in the manner: "dear Jesus"...Jesus taught us how to pray and so I will listen to Him and address my prayers to my dear heavenly Father, then petition my dear Lord and dear God in Jesus' name. still, a little less formal than Jehovah God.

I guess the evangelicals had your number when they gave you the squint eye back then? o_0

love michelle

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Hello Everyone :-)

by new one in

jw
friends

i've only recently joined but i've been lurking for well over a year.

i'll just start with a bit of my story so you'll have a better idea on were i'm coming from, i've read that much of most of your posts that i feel i already know you all anyway lol.. i'm 32 years old now and for most of my life i've had jw's around me at times, my mom used to study on and off with them all through my child hood alough she never took the plunge i'm not sure why because even to this day she say's she holds the same beliefs but somethings held her back so there's doubt somewhere!.

anyway, having had the magazines around me for most my life i'd read them from time to time,but, when i reached about 17 years old i discovered nightclubs, alcohol and, well you know the rest ;-).. fast forward to my early 20's and i'd had a failed attempt at setting up my own business, my parents had split up after 25 years together and long story short i had a nervous breakdown.

myelaine

Greetings Chris!

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Vander...

I think that for a JW to address, talk to and pray to Jehovah God...isn't really the personal relationship that the Spirit encourages..."ABBA Father".

love michelle

p.s. if the JW's believe that Jesus is an angel it only stands to reason that they wouldn't address, talk to or pray to him.(although they supposedly have taken direction from angels in the past. How the angels were to have communicated this info, I don't know?? it's weird)