Posts by paulmolark

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

I said in the first sentence that people think nothing should be done. SO when i said, "WHEN NOTHING IS DONE" I was saying it with the idea of IF nothing was done.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

I apologize if I confused your words or your intent. Because the general consensus appeared that he did nothing wrong and that everything he did was justified. I feel a stiffer punishment is needed NOT because she was BLACK as I stated before. There is a growing problem of police aggression in the USA. THE DOJ has released reports for so many major cities that they need to reform the training policies and how they handle citizens.

A message needs to be sent. I applaud the other 11 officers who did their job, however letting this guy skate by would just encourage more of the same behavior.

I said in the first sentence that people think nothing should be done. SO when i said, "WHEN NOTHING IS DONE" I was saying it with the idea of IF nothing was done.

I noticed I am talking far too much so I should probably stop now

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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?

by nicolaou in

this topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .

.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.

the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.

paulmolark

Maybe some of what is being labelled ridicule only appears to be ridicule because this is not a face to face scenario. A number of the posts I read come across as being dogmatic or mean spirited when I am sure at times they were not.

I am also aware that there are instances in which people are ridiculing someone, but they are only capable of doing so because they know hundreds of miles and an anonymous screen name separates them from being smacked around.

I have ridiculed a person or two. However, it was usually based on something that I perceived to be them ridiculing me. Tit for Tat. Not adult behavior but I will dabble

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

Here is the problem, you even admit the said officer lost it. However, it is believed he deserves no repercussions. So when nothing is done and other officers take it to this level or just up another notch nothing will happen. It will get to a point where the brutality will become the norm.

Who would have thought in America a time would come when things like Stop and Frisk would be supported by the mass of Americans. Once people become conditioned to certain types of activities all it takes is a little more time to be conditioned to worse.

Worse still, even when officers consistently go outside the bounds of the circumstances that allow them to perform these types of actions nothing is done in the large majority of situations. Policing procedures need to be addressed. They also need better training. Not military training either

For instance we watch the whole good cop bad cop scenario on T.V. where you have a disrespectful suspect. Instead of police being professional we will cheer them on when they slap the perp or when they abuse them. Why is that? Because we always consider whatever the boys in blue have to do TO GET WHAT THEY WANT it is worth it.

I am aware that not all police are this way. I never said they were. But in a number of precincts in a number of places you will have numerous police who act outside of the training they receive.

What would happen if it comes out, that this guy had a past of bias in dealing with women a certain way, or dealing with minorities a certain way. Would most people still excuse his actions and refuse to make a link. Yes

Then you have the term BLUE WALL of SILENCE. Why would such a thing even need to exist for people who are public servants. You have an unwritten code in which you will not report on the activities of your brothers. That is ridiculous

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

The more people become accustomed to officers getting more aggressive the easier it will be to let things get more out of control. Someone sent me a video earlier today of a suspected criminal being told by a detective, "If you want to go in front of a jury like a cold blooded criminal, we can do that. The guy was obviously enraged by the officer pretty much telling him, that he had no chance of winning a case the guy bangs the table, jumps up into the officers face. Even puts his hand in the officers face.

He is handcuffed to the wall by one hand and the other is free. The guy is definitely out of line and needs to be restrained. The officer punches the guy in the face. I can understand this. I am not upset by these actions. However after the guy has obviously given up the detective proceeds to beat him for an extended period of time.

2 others come in the cell and then they hold the guy as he is screaming to see the guys boss. The detective is literally poking his eyes out.

Where was the taser? Where was the mace? The comments on this video were amazing. Mostly from people saying, "he is crying like a bitch. I would have fucking killed him LOL. I bet the N*gger won't do that again."

No one really saw a reason to ask why is the officer going so far over board. Then as I viewed the page there were hundreds of incidents like this. One where a woman thrown head first into a cell and she cracks her skull. It really is out of control.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

The officer said he over-reacted. The officers lawyer said the officer let his emotions get the best of him. His boss said his actions were indefensible. The teenager who filmed the event who was white said he over-reacted and that he targeted the black kids.

the police were called initially because a 40 year old white woman was fighting a 15 year old black girl nothing happened to her.

the one 18 year old arrested was released because he didn't interfere. 11 officers did their job. This one did not. It doesn't matter what his calls were before he arrived... This is part of his job.

also he pulls the gun on two kids behind him yet all the while some fat I identified guy was behind him... On his side... In front of him... Etc yet never asks him to move or pulls a gun

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

Over reaction to teenager behavior because of teenager skin color... Is that possible? Yes. Probable... Welllllllll

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

Lol. When things happen all the time to certain groups of people in a country it is sensible for people to compare past experiences with current ones... My experience across this country and from family and from friends is that police often lack respect and take liberties they should not.

happens frequently with minorities. The department of justice is aware of it. Recorded history is a testament to it.

people March because they experience it.

the police chief said this officers actions were indefensible.

This country has a history and a current story of those in power using it unfairly because they think the rules do not apply.

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

" As a white kid I was a minority in that neighborhood. I found myself preyed upon by black kids in the neighborhood."

Those were kids... not police officers. However if you want to do this we can. I was in Bethel and assigned to a congregation in Flatbush. Same thing happened there. I lived the first 9 years of my life in North Carolina. Family moved back to the North because of prejudice.

I now live in an upper-class neighborhood in Florida where we are the only black family. It happens here as well. If you have read any of my previous posts. I have brothers and sister in-laws from another country who felt that Black Americans always complain about things like this. They are both upper-class families living in an upper-class neighborhood outside the capitol. After being here for a number of years they have also experienced this and remarked how they were extremely wrong.

So regardless of it being Newark, Brooklyn upper class neighborhoods in Florida or suburbs outside of DC or lower class inter-racial cities in NC it has happened. Family members from the West-Indies who moved to this country and have lived in Chicago and suburbs outside the capitol it has happened.

So the point here is that it doesn't matter. Discrimination is there regardless of ones station in life. There is no way to explain to your child that things are fair. There is no explaining to her friends why her dad was pulled over in front of his own home because the officer did not believe he lived in his home etc... etc...

We just learn to deal with it. However once people start getting hurt things kind of change

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

paulmolark

"Officers are citizens, and also public servants."

Not in the USofA

Officers are demi-gods in the united states along with former military veterans. In the eyes of the 40 - 80 year olds they are to be praised regardless of their actions. Especially in the Southern States and the Mid-West