and wants to stay home making a full time career out of a 3 hour a day job, while I work in the factory 60 hours a week to support her?
LOL!
And the other 21 hours I'm eating bon bons
ok, i'm a single female in her early 30s looking for someone to settle down with.
i'd like to have kids, but the trouble with dating guys who are over 30 is that by now most have a kid and/or have decided they don't want any/more.
so i am getting faced with the dilemma of maybe finding that someone special, but he may not want to have kids.
and wants to stay home making a full time career out of a 3 hour a day job, while I work in the factory 60 hours a week to support her?
LOL!
And the other 21 hours I'm eating bon bons
ok folks!.
you think you've got controversy in a nutshell, eh?.
well, you're wrong!.
This from my daughter who just returned from 16 days in Australia regarding Vegemite:
"It wasn't too bad, had they not put it on stale bread. But, what I remember the most about it was that it was SALTY"
ok, i'm a single female in her early 30s looking for someone to settle down with.
i'd like to have kids, but the trouble with dating guys who are over 30 is that by now most have a kid and/or have decided they don't want any/more.
so i am getting faced with the dilemma of maybe finding that someone special, but he may not want to have kids.
"My children, my greatest joy, my greatest aggravation." Me.
Is it worth it? It depends on what day you ask me. There are those times when I believe that there is nothing more noble,and rewarding, than Motherhood and the raising of children. Then, there are the other times when I would rather slowly extract all the the hair out of my head, one by one, with a small pair of twizers because it can really BITE. And just going out for coffee with a friend can require the planning not unlike the invasion of a small country.
And for the the times in between: It's a hellva lot of work with little rewards here and there. It also helps to have a sense of humor, and PATIENCE, the size of..well, AUSTRALIA.
I would also say, don't get overly focused on having a baby. They are that way for such a short time.
I don't think there is anyway to be competely prepared for having children. I didn't have my first until I was 30 and my second when I was nearly 35. I think if you have a great desire to have children, marry someone who also wants children. But, my sister and my best friend are childless (one by choice, one due to medical conditions), and they have full ,and meaningful, lives.
Andee
i'm sitting at work today, listening to all the different "cliques" around me, typing here on these boards a bit (don't tell), and it occurred to me again that i just don't fit.. .
it seems like i don't "fit" anywhere.
i'm always on the outskirts of alot of "groups", always on the fringe, but never inside.
Petty,
I could have written your post and I’m blown away by this thread. So many of the same thoughts have gone through my mind. Usually, I just conclude that I am somehow defective and just not born with the ability to make friends easily. I’m just too odd and a freak. I’m also uncomfortable around big groups of people and tend to be an observer.
My younger sister is similar in personality to me, but has the ability to make friends easily. Though, she didn’t have the JW experience growing up that I had, she still came from the same insane mixed-up family as me. I admire her social ease. I seem to be able to relate to people better one on one. But, it’s hard, being a middle-aged housewife (most women with kids the same age as mine are much younger), who likes to read and keep up with current events, knows who her congressperson and senators are, has unusual views on various topics, who can have a snide sense of humor, to meet people that I can connect with on a meaningful level. Not just gossip about other people.
You know what I always wished they had? Well, you know how there are websites for meeting singles? I wish there were websites for making friends that were similar: “Hi, I’m in my 30’s, married with a couple kids, I was raised JW, but now am an ex…Looking for a friend to meet for coffee at least once a week and maybe some shopping, who would like to talk about life the universe and everything! Someone who could crack me up when I am feeling down and I could do the same for them. Someone who thinks ‘The Princess Bride’ is a funny movie. Someone who does not let their kids play ‘Grand Theft Auto 2’. If this sounds like you, lets have coffee!”
Lisa,
I think you have a great idea about a website. The Grand Theft Auto 2 sentence jumped out at me. I work at my son’s elementary school, when it’s in session, a few hours a day. I have heard little kids talking about playing this game all the time. Some will even talk about how their parents will allow them to watch the Playboy channel. Makes me want to head smack the parents. I try to monitor what games my kids play, and what TV shows they watch.
Petty, and to everyone who shared on this thread, thanks.
And, Welcome No one!
congrats to danny bear our newest emperor....
congrats dear friend.... .
many hugs.
Yay, Danny!
It's about time! Sheesh!
Andee
Feline with a crop, class*
anytime something went wrong in the world with an individual, they would use them as example over and over and over again.. the most common one i heard was brother a got into big trouble with __________ (insert problem here, pick any one), see this is what happens when you leave the organization.. so how many jw's will be saying ............. "did you hear what happened to kobe, big successful athlete, see he didn't have god's organization and satan got him.".
i wonder how many jw parents especially in the la area will make their kids stop wearing number 8. he did and admit to committing adultrey.
sexual assault, i don't think so.
I think I will form an opinion after the trial.
You know, evidence and all that.
i have a distant cousin, 15 and in a wheel chair.
she's always saying how she can't wait until the new system comes when finally she'll be set free from her handicap and can run around with joyful glee.
it breaks my heart knowing this is never gonna happen and makes me even more angrier.
NG,
Well, I don't consider it hope. She does. And, no, I do not, or have not, conspired to snatch her illusion of one day having "perfection". Whatever that is. She is clear my position on the society and, for the most part, agrees. She stays, does the bare minimum, because her very large family are all JW's and will cut her off in a heartbeat, like they did when she was DF'd.
What I consider to be sad, is that she, and many JWs, mortgage their lives to a Wolf Publishing Company in the disguise of a lamb "religion". They forgo their potential in this lifetime, what is true and real, NOW, for something that will never exist.
And, I am also another individual that was strongly discouraged from going to college. In fact, it was one of my JW father's favorite subject to rant about. In short, it was just a waste of time because the end was coming. And, it was important to me, at the time, not to displease him.
So, your experience, NG, was the exception, not the rule.
Though, I'm truly glad for you.
Andee
i have a distant cousin, 15 and in a wheel chair.
she's always saying how she can't wait until the new system comes when finally she'll be set free from her handicap and can run around with joyful glee.
it breaks my heart knowing this is never gonna happen and makes me even more angrier.
I have an a JW cousin, who suffered for years with untreated Bipolar disorder. Her parents, strict JW's, allowed her to flounder for years because of their distrust of any kind of psychological treatment. She was instructed to "pray it away" and "go out in service more". Finally, when her behavior became so bizarre as to pose a threat to herself, and others (Mainly, them), they relented.
Though now, as a grown woman, she rejects many of the society's doctrines, she still clings to the "hope" that she will see paradise and will be free of all her emotional struggles one day.
Andee
you didn't come to that conclusion in an instant, did you?
you thought about it, deliberated and concluded: god exists!.
how did you get to that conclusion?.
I get this an email "devotional" everyday from this man's website. A born-again friend of mine put me on his list. I sent a email to have them stopped, and they did for awhile, and then they started again. Maybe they notified my friend. Some of them can be a bit surreal to read. And today, I just happened to get one that addresses this specific topic.
Anyway, here is one fundamentalist's explaination on why God does exist.
Bold and italics mine.
"Instead, when anyone asks me "does God exist?" I tell them ABSOLUTELY.
When they ask me to prove it, I tell them to do two things. First, go look
in a mirror, and second, go outside and look into the sky. When you look
into a mirror and see yourself, YOUR EXISTENCE is one of the greatest proofs
there is that God exists. After all, one of the questions all men
throughout human history have asked themselves is, "where did I come from?"
Evolution and other theories have all proven to be impossible. There is
only one plausible, legitimate explanation, and that is GOD CREATED US. If
God created us, then God must exist.
When you go outside and look into the sky, the EXISTENCE OF THIS WORLD
is one of the greatest proofs there is that God exists. Man from the
beginning of
time has asked "how were the heavens and earth made?" There have been
numerous
theories put forth, but all have fallen woefully short of even coming close
to explain
how the world in which we live was created. There is only one plausible,
legitimate
explanation, and that is GOD CREATED IT.
Of course those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ and know that the
Bible is God's inspired, inerrant Word simply go to Genesis Chapter One.
The existence of God is a given fact. Those who have made the choice to
reject Christ in the their life, will in many cases also reject the
existence of God. It is easier for them to live with themselves by
believing that there is no God, that Jesus is a story like Santa Claus, and
that the Bible is just a book of fables. This way, they can live their life
however THEY choose, free in their own mind from being accountable to
anyone. These people will rely on incredible arguments, unproven scientific
studies, and anything that they can find to deny God exists so that they can
feel better in their rejection of Him. For people like this, you will never
convince them God exists through arguments. The best thing to do is to pray
for them, since the God they reject is able to open their hearts to His
reality and love for them.
I love you and care about you so much. Only a fool would ever doubt the
existence of God. As a matter of fact, it would take greater faith than I
could ever dream of having, to even question whether God exists."
i remember growing up and thinking that there was no way i would have kids ......... why ???
....... because i did not want to raise them the way i was raised, in the borg.
i went through hell, why put a defenceless child through that.
While it didn't affect MY decision to have kids, it certainly affected, and affects, the way my JW Father views ME having children.
He quipped to my Step-mother after my second child, "I don't know why she keeps having kids, they are just going to die". Needless to say, my children barely know him. In fact, my son wouldn't know him from a stranger.
However, it certainly didn't stop HIM from making three kids.
Andee