There's some nice information in this posting by Leolaia.(The sub-heading of Enoch is partway in)
Midget-Sasquatch
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Enoch - Transferred so as not to see death
by nowino inwanted to know what anyone here thinks or has studied on enoch and him being "transferred so as not to see death" and whether or not anyone believes john the baptist might have been him reincarnated or sent back in.
also if he was the only one in the bible not to see death.
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NOTE! 1 Cor 4:6 Don't go beyod things written
by peacefulpete in1 cor 4:6 is a favorite verse for the wt.
they of course have extended the application to include not just the bible but also the rulebooks and written interpretations that they have produced.
i myself have been suspiciously viewed when referring to older publications that the local elders were unfamiliar with, being reminded not to "go beyond what is written".
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Midget-Sasquatch
The similarity in wording might have implications for the theory that 4:6c is a marginal note for copyists that has nothing to do with the content in the context, unless we suggest that 4:6d was altered to massage the gloss into the text.
On first reading Leolaia's thoughts, I focussed on the part I yellowed, then offered up a scenario. But on rereading it I see how the part I marked in red is implicitly making that connection for me, and all I simply did was write it more explicitly. Don't want to look like I'm stealing someone else's thunder.
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Finish This Sentence....You Know you're a JW teenager If....
by doodle-v induring class the teacher asks "who all plan to go to college?
" and you shrink down in your seat in an effort to become invisible as everyone in the class raises their hand.
-doodle-v. your turn!
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Midget-Sasquatch
....you've got an urge to walk around the palisade of any stadium instead of sitting down.
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NOTE! 1 Cor 4:6 Don't go beyod things written
by peacefulpete in1 cor 4:6 is a favorite verse for the wt.
they of course have extended the application to include not just the bible but also the rulebooks and written interpretations that they have produced.
i myself have been suspiciously viewed when referring to older publications that the local elders were unfamiliar with, being reminded not to "go beyond what is written".
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Midget-Sasquatch
The similarity in wording might have implications for the theory that 4:6c is a marginal note for copyists that has nothing to do with the content in the context, unless we suggest that 4:6d was altered to massage the gloss into the text.
Is 4:6d the clause that says "that you may not be puffed up individually in favor of one against the other"?
If so then how's about your own suggestion turned around a bit. Instead of 4:6d being massaged to fit with the gloss, it was already there, and it "showed the way" ;) to insert the copyist's note.
I agree with peacefulpete about the verse flowing much better without that rule of sorts.. That's about adding to teachings and holy writ. But Paul's talking about not judging others, then he mentions how even Apollos and himself are applying this to themselves so that......[cut out possible inserted note]....they'd also learn not to be putting themselves against each other.
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I found a big ol' fat lie again in there!
by gumby insome big fat liar made sumthin up again!
looky here what i went and found in the bible!
remember that little dove that desended down on jesus right after he was baptised by john?
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Midget-Sasquatch
You'd think the demonized Catholic church fathers could have put their crack pipe down long enough to get their damn stories straight before they decided which books would make up the canon.
Well from what was in the alternatives (with stuff like a temperamental kid Jesus with a nasty streak, or Jesus laughing as someone else got crucified in his place), those chosen four were the least problematic for their beliefs. Too bad, cuz the other gospels had some thoughtful stuff here and there.
But somebody did try to make a harmonized verion of all four gospels.
I looked it up. It was the Diatessaron by Tatian.
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Did you ever see a UFO?
by JH in.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/14810_ufo.html
the iranians seem to be seeing many these days..
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Midget-Sasquatch
I wouldn't put it past the CIA to be using drones, tweaked to look out of the ordinary as psychological warfare. A way to divert attention from the real surveillance ops done by satellite and very high altitude stealth spy planes.
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Programs you couldn't watch as a kid - Chocky (UK)
by truthseeker inwhen i was a kid, my mother wouldn't let me watch a program called chocky.
for those of you who live outside the uk, and those who didn't even know about this childrens program if you lived in the uk, .
see the link below...my mother thought this show had "spiritism" in it.
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Midget-Sasquatch
My Dad wouldn't let me watch
- Shazam
- Charlie's Angels
- Bionic Woman (but I could see the Six Million $ Man - ahhh those slow mo shots)
- Wonder Woman
- Bewitched
- I Dream of Jeannie (I caught him a few times laughing at bits beforing changing it)
- BattleStar Galactica (I don't know why cuz Star Wars movies were OK)
Edit: There was also One Day at a Time - with a young Vallerie Bertinelli -
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baptism of the dead
by peacefulpete inthe cryptic words of 1 cor 15:29 have ellicited much discussion through the years.
what did the writer mean, "baptism of the dead"?
the answer may be locked up in the controversy over who wrote those words and when.
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Midget-Sasquatch
All those points White mentions, especially his interpreting the dead as the group that participates metaphorically in Christ's death ala Romans 6:3, are persuasive. I was sorta on the right track then???? Methinks the Victorian Order of the Universe has been thrown off kilter by some foul deed.
He even manages to show there wasn't necessarily any redaction in that verse?! Blast him for spoiling my gleeful hope of heretical infestation of holy writ!!!!
Maybe I can still cling onto the other purported Marcionite redactions (1 Cor.7:1 Boo!!! Hiss!!!)
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baptism of the dead
by peacefulpete inthe cryptic words of 1 cor 15:29 have ellicited much discussion through the years.
what did the writer mean, "baptism of the dead"?
the answer may be locked up in the controversy over who wrote those words and when.
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Midget-Sasquatch
Leolaia
Sorry to hear about the blasted Windows glitch ... I want to thank you for all that work and that was an informative synopsis nonetheless. I also agree that vs.30-32 would read disjointed from the preceding text without something starting off that list of examples. So the verse isn't a simple insertion - yeah I see that.
But to yourself or anyone:
Since I haven't read this exact expression of "baptism for the dead" (be it causative or substitutionary) in any of the other pauline material, I wonder why he didn't elaborate on the meaning. How does this idea strike you? At Rom 6:3 Paul writes about being baptized into Jesus' death. Perhaps the verse originally had a similar notion of we being baptized into the dead etc. That was then redacted by a group (be it Marcionites or those Corinthians that supposedly practiced proxy baptism - thanks Deputy Dog for that commentary info).
The use of they and not we is a problem in that verse with any kind of inclusive explanation one may put forward.
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baptism of the dead
by peacefulpete inthe cryptic words of 1 cor 15:29 have ellicited much discussion through the years.
what did the writer mean, "baptism of the dead"?
the answer may be locked up in the controversy over who wrote those words and when.
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Midget-Sasquatch
PP
From the bit I read up on this matter, I never came across anything showing that this was a practice in Paul's time, only later. So it does make alot of sense that verse 29 was a marcionite redaction.
This writing shows that the Marcionites (at that time anyway ~ late 4th century) were using the verse to legitimize it:
What then is that which he means? Or will ye that I should first mention how they who are infected with the Marcionite heresy pervert this expression? And I know indeed that I shall excite much laughter; nevertheless, even on this account most of all I will mention it that you may the more completely avoid this disease: viz., when any catechumen departs among them, having concealed the living man under the couch of the dead, they approach the corpse and talk with him, and ask him if he wishes to receive baptism; then when he makes no answer, he that is concealed underneath saith in his stead that of course he should wish to be baptized; and so they baptize him instead of the departed, like men jesting upon the stage. So great power hath the devil over the souls of careless sinners. Then being called to account, they allege this expression, saying that even the Apostle hath said, "They who are baptized for the dead. Seest thou their extreme ridiculousness?" (St John Chrysostom, Homily XL, on 1 Corinthians)