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  Who has written the Pentateuch:The Watchtower and the Documentary's theory

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the french's version of awake april 22, 2004, there is an article called " who has written the pentateuch ?".

  here is my comments concerning this article in french:.

  http://site.voila.fr/tjquestions/pentateuque.html .

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  Midget-Sasquatch

  And thanks to all of you, Leo, Nark, and Ross for your critiques of the article.
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  ELDER'S SON- CHILD ABUSE UPDATE

  by Corvin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i called and reported the abuse of a 17 year old elders son to cps yesterday: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79588/1.ashx.

  he was a good friend of my daughters when they were still living at their mom and stepdads and were made to attend meetings.. today, i went to c's school accompanied by nancy and elese.

  i met with one of the vp's, a really wonderful lady, who was also very concerned and was determined to help.

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  The insulating tactic works all too well. Is it possible for C to take a co-op course in his highschool? That would at least offer C the experience of non-dub contact. Maybe he could sell it to his parents as a way to try out a different line of work and still get school credits for it. Or would the father probably be set against that as well?
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  Who has written the Pentateuch:The Watchtower and the Documentary's theory

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the french's version of awake april 22, 2004, there is an article called " who has written the pentateuch ?".

  here is my comments concerning this article in french:.

  http://site.voila.fr/tjquestions/pentateuque.html .

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  Midget-Sasquatch

  If I'm not mistaken, one will find the material in the english April 8th 2004 edition of Awake pg.8-9.
  

  I don't have a scanner so I typed it all in below ---- Its not fun being a channel for the WT

  Who Wrote the "Books of Moses"?

  Traditionally, Moses has been credited with being the author of the first five books of the Bible, called the Pentateuch. Moses may have drawn some of his information from earlier historical sources. Many critics believe, though, that Moses did not write the Pentateuch at all. "It is thus clearer than the sun at noonday that the Pentateuch was not written by Moses", asserted the 17th-century philosopher Spinoza. In the latter half of the 19th century, the German scholar Julius Wellhausen popularized the "documentary" theory - that the books of Moses are an amalgam of the works of several authors or teams of authors.

  Wellhausen said that one author consistently used the personal name of God, Jehovah, and is thus called J. Another, dubbed E, called God "Elohim". Another, P, supposedly wrote the priestly code in Leviticus, and yet another, called D, wrote Deuteronomy. Though some scholars have embraced this theory for decades, the book The Pentateuch, by Joseph Blenkinsopp, calls Wellhausen's hypothesis a theory "in crisis".

  The book Introduction to the Bible, by John Laux explains: "The Documentary Theory is built up on assertions which are either arbitrary or absolutely false....If the extreme Doumentary Theory were true, the Isrealites would have been the victims of a clumsy deception when they permitted the heavy burden of the Law to be imposed upon them. It would have been the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the history of the world."

  Another argument is that stylistic differences in the Pentateuch are evidence of multiple authors. However, K.A. Kitchen notes in his book Ancient Orient and Old Testament: "Stylistic differences are meaningless, and reflect the differences in detailed subject-matter." Similar style variations can also be found "in ancient texts whose literary unity is beyond doubt."

  The argument that the use of different names and titles for God is evidence of multiple authorship is particularly weak. In just one small portion of the book of Genesis, God is called "the Most High God", "Producer of heaven and earth", "Sovereign Lord Jehovah", "God of sight", "God Almighty", "God", "the true God", and "the Judge of all the earth." ( Genesis 14:18,19; 15:2; 16:13; 17:1,3,18; 18:25 ) Did different authors write each of these Bible texts? Or what about Genesis 28:13, where the terms "Elohim" (God) and "Jehovah" are used together? Did two authors collaborate to write that one verse?

  The weakness of this line of reasoning becomes particularly evident when applied to a contemporary piece of writing. In one recent book about World War II, the chancellor of Germany is termed "Fuhrer", "Adolf Hitler", and simply "Hitler" in the course of just a few pages. Would anyone claim that this is evidence of three different authors?

  Nevertheless, variations on Wellhausen's theories continue to proliferate. Among them is the theory propounded by two scholars regarding the so-called J author. They not only deny that it was Moses but also proclaim that "J was a woman".
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  ELDER'S SON- CHILD ABUSE UPDATE

  by Corvin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i called and reported the abuse of a 17 year old elders son to cps yesterday: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79588/1.ashx.

  he was a good friend of my daughters when they were still living at their mom and stepdads and were made to attend meetings.. today, i went to c's school accompanied by nancy and elese.

  i met with one of the vp's, a really wonderful lady, who was also very concerned and was determined to help.

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  Corvin,

  I really empathize with "C". KUDOS to you for making CPS and, as Scully advised, the school counsellor, aware of C's terrible agony. KUDOS to Nancy for stepping up to the plate with all that she's recently dealt with. She will definitely help him to experience a supportive relationship for a change. That from my personal experience, is a powerful healing agent to someone who's been battered emotionally and psychologically onto a self-destructive course. I'm glad someone stepped in before it did any more long term damage to his psyche.
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  Did you read the book "1984" of Georges Orwell?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this book is one of the best book i've ever read.

  it describe well the technics that the watchtower use to manipulate their jehovah's witness.

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  I did at age 16. It was an especially interesting read for me because I first read the book "The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses". That got me interested in reading the novel.
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  Is it time for me to buy a new (used) car?

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, first of all i never buy *new* cars... so when i say "new - used" i basically mean: sell my current car and buy another used one that is about two years old.

  my current car is a 1999 ford contour se v6 with about 106,000 miles on it.

  it's got a few minor bumps-and-bruses and a bit of peeling paint due to a bad paint-job, but it does look good when you step back and look at it as a whole.

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  Midget-Sasquatch

  All I can say is if I were in a position where I could get financing for a new car I would. Otherwise unless you or a friend who really knows their cars can help you, buying used is a crapshoot.
  

  I've always been limited to used ones. With one particularly bad used car I had, the purchase price + the total cost of repairs over the 3 years, came out to nearly the same amount it would have costed me to lease a new corolla. Others weren't as draining but were just as frustrating with inopportune break downs.

  When ever a car repair nears or surpasses the trade in value its time to scrap it, as I'm sure you know. Recently my sib had to decide what to do with her car with tranny trouble. Even from a scrap yard, that used tranny will cost you about 2/3 of that trade in value you gave. Rebuilt will definitely come close to that if not more. So I'd trade in it now.

  [ edited to remove alot of unnecessary detail - maybe I should have did it to the whole post? ;) ]
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  Watchtower Quote

  by TowerWatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm trying to find the quote where it was stated in the watchtower that without the watchtower publications one could not come to a knowledge of the truth.

  something like "if you read the studies in the scriptures for two years with out the bible you could learn the truth but if you read just the bible for two years they would lose the truth".

  can anyone help.

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  The WT has been getting a bit more careful with how they phrase this in their publications lately. But they still do from time to time.

  WT 2002 DEC 1 pg. 17 par.17 "Enjoy Personal Study of God?s Word"

  The Ethiopian eunuch was a convert to Judaism. He was a sincere believer in God, and he studied the Scriptures. Traveling in his chariot, he was reading the text of Isaiah when Philip ran alongside him and asked: "Do you actually know what you are reading?" How did the eunuch answer?"?Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?? And he entreated Philip to get on and sit down with him." Then Philip, directed by holy spirit, helped the eunuch to understand the prophecy of Isaiah. (Acts 8:27-35) What does this illustrate? That our private reading of the Bible is not enough. Jehovah, by his spirit, uses the faithful and discreet slave class to help us to understand his Word at the right time. How is this done?
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  Poll-----Did The Internet Help You Get Out Of The Organization??

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read many "apostate" books before i left the "truth".

  mentally, i was drifting away for years.

  but i do think that the internet really made it easy to see all the evidence that overwhelmingly showed jws do not have the "truth".....was the 'net instrumental in getting you out?

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  Not entirely - It was late eighties.There was a book I can't recall the title of it for the life of me. IIRC it was written by a Catholic priest or Bishop. It was in the library of the RC highschool I went to. Gr. 9 and already I was getting some concrete info to confirm my gut feeling about the WT. I got exposure to 587, 1925, and 1914. That really wet my appetite and so I checked out the municipal library, which then only had the book "The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses". Other books like "Apocalypse Delayed" some years later just reconfirmed things for me.

  Though I already was mentally "out", I didn't yet have any real disgust for the Org. All the well researched websites helped me to learn about the Swaggart/Voluntary donations connection and I got word of CoC. When I read that it made me really sick. The Internet was also a huge site of support and personal inner growth to me, through its DBs. To all those who've worked through the Internet, thank you. Though I was already in a sense off the blasted hamster wheel, it helped me realize how stinky the cage really was.
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  Kingdumb Halls...crying poor. Are they really?

  by kwintestal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for the last 2 1/2 years of my jw experience, the kh was always saying how they had no money to pay the bills.

  they started holding "dollar days" at the meetings to get donations (the idea was everyone brought a dollar a meeting on top of their normal donation).

  finances reportedly got so bad that they had to decide to buy oil for the furnace, or plow the driveway one winter.

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  The foreign language congregation I grew up in closed down because it was shrinking in size, and this led to almost an entire year of us regularly falling short of paying our share of the expenses. The other english congregation who we shared the KH with, just barely picked up the slack.

  Like it was already mentioned, the WTS though always gets its cut first. And if it says that a particular congregation hasn't sent in enough donations from the "World Wide Work" category, they send in a remittance that tells the congregation the balance owing for the literature ordered that year. So much for "you received free, give free".
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  Question regarding your faith in God or not.

  by pc in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was wondering about different people on the forum.

  i was raised a jw since birth but never had one ounce of spirituality.

  i did the fade and have been out for years.

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  Midget-Sasquatch

  I'm an agnostic-gnosticwannabe. Thats Midget speak for:

  I don't know and not sure if its possible to know...I definitely don't believe in the god portrayed by the JWs or other fundamentalist types. From all the hard evidence for evolution, the amorality of nature and what we call natural evils, I don't believe that a loving god made us or nature.

  That said though, I really do wish that there were something divine...even just a little...to the experiences had by those first century Jews who followed that Galilean.