HaHa! Loved it! Maybe Taylor was trying to impress his warrior-king JC so that he'd get a better CENTCOMM position for A-Day?
Nice research to whoever did it.
i wish to extend my appreciation to the united states marine corp., united states air force, united states army, united states navy.
and a picture of the "chummy" airplane can be seen here:.
to see a picture of the taylorcraft army tg-6 glider, go here and scroll 3/4 of the way down and look for the plane under an old picture with a high tower 51 pictures down: go here:.
HaHa! Loved it! Maybe Taylor was trying to impress his warrior-king JC so that he'd get a better CENTCOMM position for A-Day?
Nice research to whoever did it.
http://www.acampbell.org.uk/essays/skeptic/narrative.html
I think religion was the product of ancient people's dialectic with their world, and trying to understand it better so as to navigate through it successfully.
Since we have a knack for thinking symbolically and metaphorically about even the very concrete, it wasn't that hard a leap to postulate the invisible or spiritual.
I'm with Elsewhere and Poztate, the gods have been ascribed to smaller and smaller gaps in our understanding of nature.
But I'd have to say that religion probably also came about as a means to comfort a mind that realized its mortality, and maybe even to offer the hope of justice to a developing moral being within this rather amoral universe.
funny title you might think but consider this point and apologies if i am covering old ground here...its not intentional.. i was raised by my mother who was and is a devout jw and as such until i was 20 (10 years ago) i was the same...trying my best to fit into the social environment i clearly was not made for but benefiting from good wholesome association with fellow brothers and sisters (note the sarcastic tone...make what you will of it).. althought at the time i didnt realise it but i was what others consider intelligent and quite academically able; i had a mind like a sponge and would spend hours in the jw library at the kh (which surprisingly enough contained non jw literature)...it was this that i read and would digest endlessly where i could.. one of those books (why it was there i dont know), was what i later undertood to be criminal law reports concerning cases that had gone before the courts.
my childish thirst for knowledge was intrigued...(i was then about 12).
the legal arguments i hadnt a clue what they meant but the facts surrounding these crimes were good reading.. i then knew i wanted to be a lawyer and that was what i said when an elder asked me what i wanted to do when i grew up; i mentioned trusting this man that i had read a book in the kh library and found it interesting...and that i wanted to be lawyer...i remember him smiling and saying that it was better to pioneer rather than seek a highly paid job...personally i didnt know what he meant properly but i felt a bit sad...and demotivated...i later in the week went back into the library and found the book had gone...!!.
I completely agree with you.
Any organization that survives on slave labour will try to regulate the level of critical thinking among their drones and the information they're exposed to.
witnesses pray many times a day.
at the field service, at the meetings, before each meal and even more.. i don't know if you're like me, but i didn't pray because i felt like it, but because i was told to.. personally, 1 long honest prayer a week would have been much better than 20 routine prayers.
did you feel that it was natural to pray 3 times a day or more?.
I was made to pray as a child. Talking to nothing was just plain weird, so when my Dad stopped supervising me I never bothered with that routine again. Every so often I felt compelled to try and reach out to something out there and poured my feelings out. But with continual silence, I eventually gave up on that too (well before my teens).
When I was older, I was called for prayers at meetings. So I did much like Elsewhere, pieced together typical phrases to form an acceptable prayer. A few times though, I again really wanted to try and connect with the divine, and maybe on account of all of them, maybe there'd be an open ear. I'd ignore stuff like thanking God for the "spiritual food prepared by the FDS", and asked instead for stuff like inner strength to face our personal demons, and help us realize where we need to change in how we treat one another. About a half dozen of those of prayers and I wasn't asked anymore, except for a couple of times at some book studies when they had no other brother.
Nowadays, from time to time I simply reflect on my actions, my motives and my mistakes and what I think I should change. If there is God, then I'm sure my feelings for people I know who are in pain and my wishes for their succor are the key thing. No words needed. Although a swift kick in my butt to help this cold bastard actually do something himself to help out is also verymuch in order.
happy birthday,
ian !!!!
(when ian wakes up, it will be his 51st birthday -- saturday, december 18th.
Happy 51st Ian!
it's been over a year now since my dad died.
i feel sad about it a lot because i don't believe i will never see him again.
i realised today that being raised a dub has closed my eyes to different views on death.. what do some of you believe happens after death??
Once we start to view our lives as finite maybe the human race will focus more on making things better right here right now. Because really you may not have a tomorrow. So stress and stretch your humanity today.
I hope for that kind of a realization too among those who fail to do something now and just say it'll all be fixed in the afterlife. Whatever the case, why shouldn't we do our best for a just humane world now? I think there'll always be those though that see a finite existence as an excuse for indulging in their nihilistic bents, wrecking havoc on the rest of us. So for the unfortunate people that don't see justice in this world, or have suffered horribly, I really do wish they can get some comfort somehow upon death.
Editted to add: here's a link to a prosaic explanation on NDEs.
lately something has bothered me as regards to many on jwd who wonder what to do, once they have found the organisation to be a destructive, mind controling sect.
aside from these ones deciding how to exit without causing a judicial meeting nor a stir among the publishers, it whether or not they want to risk their marriage and or family ties.. many on this site have related how their marriage fell to pieces because the dub mate could not accept their loved one "leaving jehovah", and they could never meet in the middle to save the marriage.
others who leave, push their dub mate away by their constant verbal expressions against the organisation...because they think they should....hence, the marriage falls apart.. here's the hard part i don't know the answer to.
I've never been married or have children. But growing up as a dub, I always wondered if my Dad would allow a blood transfusion for me or really let me die. I knew he loved me, but.....I'm siding with Alan here, deep down I know that the cult is first and foremost for my Dad and I'd wager for many other JWs as well.
Several posters have raised the key matter of personal integrity. Those expressions have resonanted deeply within me. I've always been drawn to the character of Thomas More in the play A Man for All Seasons. I've seen many people on JWD making a similar sort of principled stand. I admire you all.
Gumby, I also appreciate the question you raised.....paraphrasing: couldn't one still have personal integrity despite they're putting on a facade? That was a nice sentiment, and I'm not touched so much by the thought itself (because personally I don't feel that it could be), but from the empathy that must have been behind it. I have to honestly say that every time I go to a meeting I feel so hypocritical. I can live with the lack of freedom. But when compared to the children of others both inside the JWs and even with family outside the Borg, I've mostly been a disappointment and a source of sorrow to my folks, I don't want to add the further disappoint of being an apostate loser to boot.
thanks to pro-active people like simon i do believe we have an impact on the wts.
i think ex-witnesses are better adjusted and recover quicker because of these web sites.
i know i was able to deprogram and come to terms with being in that cult for 24 years much quicker than being divorced after 15 years.
The net has threatened many other publishing companies and cults as well. We have a very powerful medium to let the facts be known and we're distributed across the globe so let them try and target each and every site.
If I only had the public and school libraries to go on, I'd never have heard about the UN scandal, or the Jimmy Swaggart/donation arrangement connection.
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http://ww12.e-tractions.com/snowglobe/globe.htm
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Merry Christmas Blondie and Irrev.
edit: Its a good thing I'm not a god over some planet. Shaking that globe from time to time was fun .
i remember one of my childhood friends was found dead and the police said he committed suicide.
i just could not believe it because my friend was a "devout" jw almost franatical about it.
now years later since i have seen both sides of the coin i am beginning to wonder if my friend did indeed kill himself.
A couple. One close to my age tried it twice because the other male dubs in Hamilton were aware of his homosexual tendencies and treated him worse than dirt. That group was so homophobic they were even starting to wonder about me because I apparently spent alot of time talking with that guy, but not quite as much with the dub females.
Anyone from the Niagara Falls area will probably know about this other incident better than myself. A man was very depressed and jumped off of a bridge into the Welland Canal. I really felt bad for the family he left behind.