ho-lo ayth shaw-mah'-yim ayth eh'-rets an-ee' maw-lay' nah-oom' yeh-ho-vaw'.
is it not actually heaven actually earth i fill said jehovah ?transliteration.
?is it not the heavens and the earth that i myself actually fill??
Raphael
If you want to go with the story in Genesis, and if you want to believe that a moral choice made by one pair of people would have planetary effects throwing off the rest of the ecosphere, alter the instincts/behaviours of animals, and spawn the appearance of new life-forms, then ask yourself by what mechanism? Was it people that could exert that sort of god-like power?
Maybe we should just agree to disagree on the nature of the creative force.
ok, try this one.. michaelangelo's statue of david.
you know the one, somewhere in italy?
if you look closely, actually very closely, you'll notice something unusual about this statue.. david has got a very, very, tiny willy!.
Was it cuz Davy being the son of Law abiding Hebrew parents and all was circumcised, and that sorta trimmed his willy's girth?
I have no idea about why the length would be affected though. I thought Celia had it with the model being cold.
ho-lo ayth shaw-mah'-yim ayth eh'-rets an-ee' maw-lay' nah-oom' yeh-ho-vaw'.
is it not actually heaven actually earth i fill said jehovah ?transliteration.
?is it not the heavens and the earth that i myself actually fill??
What do parasites, deadly pathogens, the violent/callous behaviours of many living things, and all natural evils tell us about the nature of their "creator"?
i will defer the details of this gem to blondie when she sinks her teeth into the wt study articles scheduled for march 21-april 3. until then sample this:.
watchtower 15 feb 2005 "christians - be proud of who you are!
" (pg 12-16) .
You know they're really being hurt by all the info and efforts by exjws, when they're trying to get people to avoid "looking for any answers outside of the congregation".
Their biggest worry has to be the disenchantment thats becoming pervasive among all the jws. I see alot of it in the two congregations I bounce between. Its about time!!! I've been anxious for something ever since they changed the "generation" doctrine back in 95.
All I have to say is that the appeals and attempts to manipulate will be all too transparent to alot jw teens I've talked with (while supplying). They're so cynical and sacriligious that they even make me cringe.
I look forward to Blondie's analysis of that article.
i have finally decided that i've seen enough.
i have written my official dissassociation letter from the organization call "jehovah's witnesses".
would someone please give me the address and example of a letter head to the society.
Way to go! Someday I hope to do the same. Like everyone said its best to send it to the congregation that last had your publisher file (in particular to the presiding overseer). They'll send a copy to HQ.
But if you want to have the addy for the US here it is:
25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, NY, 11201-2483.
i have been dealing with one for the past few years.
not constantly, but about once every three months.
for those that don't know, an incubus is a demonic presence that only bothers women when they sleep.
Forscher
Many people who've experienced sleep paraylsis, report visual or auditory hallucinations along with paralysis/weakness. But there's also a portion of them that report experiencing physical manipulation (even painful), mostly in the chest as well as the limbs.
Here's just an excerpt from this webpage:
http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html
People frequently report feeling a "presence" that is often described as malevolent, threatening, or evil. An intense sense of dread and terror is very common. The presence is likely to be vaguely felt or sensed just out of sight but thought to be watching or monitoring, often with intense interest, sometimes standing by, or sitting on, the bed. On some occasions the presence may attack, strangling and exerting crushing pressure on the chest. People also report auditory, visual, proprioceptive, and tactile hallucinations, as well as floating sensations and out-of-body experiences (Hufford, 1982). These various sensory experiences have been referred to collectively as hypnagogic and hypnopompic experiences (HHEs). People frequently try, unsuccessfully, to cry out. After seconds or minutes one feels suddenly released from the paralysis, but may be left with a lingering anxiety. Extreme effort to move may even produce phantom movements in which there is proprioceptive feedback of movement that conflicts with visual disconfirmation of any movement of the limb. People may also report severe pain in the limbs when trying to move them.
Note that the chest (a primary target) includes erogenous zones for women.
I've publicly invited any supposed succubi to prove their existence to me (in gest mind you - but the invite was there none the same) several times. Nothin'
Possible conclusions (not meant to belittle, just throwing in some fun)
Sista
Take care. I hope things get better for you soon.
jehovah's witnesses are told to never talk against the organization.
they say that talking against the organization is the same as talking against jehovah god himself!........so, now that we have the freedom to speak our minds, say something true.
Helped us to learn our Bible? Puleeeeze!
It took a non-jw commentary on the NT for this dolt to see how parts of Ephesians were lifted from Colossians and 2 Peter from Jude. Inspired to plagiarize I guess.
And to my shame, I was made a ministerial servant and sorta convinced myself to try it despite having had doubts for years. My service record was sub-par to boot. So much for Spirit-Directed appointments.
chief rabbi leon ashkenazi said: "the difference between an atheist christian and an atheist jew is that an atheist christian does not believe that god exists, while an atheist jew believes that god does not exist.".
i'm not so sure about the jewish-christian borderline, but i love the nuance.. so which sentence suits you better?.
"i don't believe that god exists.".
I'm a fence-sitter. There thats out of the way. But in the moments when I'm leaning on to the atheistic side, I think the statement "I don't believe God exists" applies to me.
In the vein of AlmostAtheist's reasoning, I think it says something about one's approach to knowledge and how its attained. I'd be making my call on the facts as I see them, from a practically materialistic POV, which precludes the supernatural.
"Believing" as the starting point, and then seeing whether its negative or positive, for me anyways, seems to mean one is including intuitive and revelatory sources of knowledge, if not mostly going on their "gut" with it.
Edit: to clarify: one way you don't have all the info you need, so no certainty, the other you're saying a certainty which means you somehow have a a tap into supernatural things as well
one of my stellar favorites was the flintstones and a close 2nd the jetsons.
their appeal to family values are things i have ascribed to in my adulthood.
willllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
FMZ
You had excellent taste for a youngen'
LT
I'm like a decade older than FMZ going by his profile. I'll admit some of them were geared more towards his age group. I was just trying to catch up on as much of a childhood as I could when not in service or meetings.
Nosferatu
I forgot about The Fonz and the time machine!!! Thanks for that link.
Leolaia
Admit it, even as a kid, you'd be dissecting these toons every which way, looking for agendas, and thinking how could the other kids be buying into all this crap?
no im not crazy now... but maybe i was back then.
did you ever prayed for guidance and opened your bible in a passage that seem to show you the way?.
did you get a innocent comment from an old sister at the hall that seemed at the time like advice from the almighty?.
I can definitely say no in the most common understanding of being talked to.
But there's also a part of me that wonders if we should look for the message in the loving actions of people that look out for us - even at cost to themselves at times. The WT program always wanted to make me tune out. The charitable works being done by other teenagers in my highschool wanted me to try and tune in. I'm still not sure if I'm even on the right badnwidth, let alone closing in on the frequency.
