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  Bible Contradictions

  by lamb_neo in

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  can you please help me wiht this?

  i am searching for the post that was speaking about bible contradictions.

  i wasn't able to find it on google and i know it is here somewhere.

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  kwintestal

  The bible doesn't contradict itself. It says that it doesn't, you know, in that paragraph right after it says it does.

  Kwin
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  What would you have done?

  by defd in

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  what would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.

  would you have became his follower?

  how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?

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  *** it-2 pp. 362-363 Mediator ***

  Those

  for Whom Christ Is Mediator. The apostle Paul declares that there is "one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all"—for both Jews and Gentiles. (1Ti 2:5, 6) He mediates the new covenant between God and those taken into the new covenant, the congregation of spiritual Israel. (Heb 8:10-13; 12:24; Eph 5:25-27) Christ became Mediator in order that the ones called "might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance" (Heb 9:15); he assists, not the angels, but "Abraham’s seed." (Heb 2:16) He assists those who are to be brought into the new covenant to be ‘adopted’ into Jehovah’s household of spiritual sons; these eventually will be in heaven as Christ’s brothers, becoming a part with him of the seed of Abraham. (Ro 8:15-17, 23-25; Ga 3:29) He has transmitted to them the promised holy spirit, with which spirit they are sealed and are given a token of what is to come, their heavenly inheritance. (2Co 5:5; Eph 1:13, 14) The total number of those who are finally and permanently sealed is revealed in Revelation 7:4-8 as 144,000.

  Inauguration

  of the New Covenant. After Jesus died and was resurrected, he entered into heaven to appear before the person of God to present his offering, the benefits of which go first to those taken into the new covenant. (Heb 9:24) Here he acted both as High Priest and Mediator. In harmony with the pattern followed at the inauguration of the Law covenant, Jesus Christ presented the value of his sacrifice before God in heaven (even as Moses sprinkled the blood on the book of the Law [for God was not personally present there]). Then, on Pentecost day, 33 C.E., Jesus poured out the holy spirit from God on the first ones brought into the new covenant, about 120 persons. Later that day about 3,000, Jews and proselytes, were added to the congregation. (Ac 1:15; 2:1-47; Heb 9:19) And just as Moses read the Law to the people, so Jesus Christ clearly enunciates the terms of the new covenant and its laws to those sharing in it.—Ex 24:3-8; Heb 1:1, 2; Joh 13:34; 15:14; 1Jo 5:1-3.

  Holding the offices of Mediator and High Priest, Jesus Christ, being immortal, is always alive and able to plead for those of spiritual Israel approaching God through him, so that he can mediate the new covenant until those persons receiving his mediatorial assistance are saved completely. (Heb 7:24, 25) He is able to conduct matters to the successful completion of the new covenant. Those in the covenant are eventually installed in the heavenly priesthood as underpriests with Christ, their great High Priest.—Re 5:9, 10; 20:6.

  Blessings

  to Mankind in General. While Jesus’ mediatorship operates solely toward those in the new covenant, he is also God’s High Priest and the Seed of Abraham. In fulfilling his duties in these latter two positions, he will bring blessings to others of mankind, for all the nations are to be blessed by means of Abraham’s seed. Those in the new covenant are first blessed by Christ, the primary Seed (Ga 3:16, 29), being brought in as associate members of the seed. Being made kings and priests by reason of the new covenant that he mediated, they will share in administering the blessings of Jesus’ sacrifice and of his Kingdom rule to all the nations of the earth. Christ’s mediatorship, having accomplished its purpose by bringing "the Israel of God" into this position, thus results in benefits and blessings to all mankind.—Ga 6:16; Ge 22:17, 18.

  There are, thus, others not of the 144,000 "sealed" ones who also pray to Jehovah God in the name of Christ, putting faith in the merit of his ransom sacrifice. This sacrifice is not only for those for whom Jesus mediates the new covenant but also for all mankind expressing faith in Christ. (1Jo 2:2) These not in the new covenant also appreciate that "there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved." (Ac 4:12) They, too, look to Jesus Christ as their great heavenly High Priest, through whom they can approach God and through whose ministration they can get forgiveness of sin. (Heb 4:14-16) Revelation 21:22-24 points out that ‘the nations will walk in the light of New Jerusalem,’ where Jehovah God is the light and the Lamb Jesus Christ is the lamp.

  Why has it been made so complicated, when the scripture is so clear? "One mediator between God and men" End of story. Why does there need to be paragraphs to explain this relationship between one person and another group of people, and yet another group of people?

  Kwin
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  What would you have done?

  by defd in

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  what would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.

  would you have became his follower?

  how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?

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  kwintestal

  Defd, that is the exact quote that I just varified on the WT 2003 CD-ROM. Here's another one:

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  w91 2/15 p. 18 "You Were Bought With a Price" ***

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  Nevertheless, in a preliminary way, the great crowd have already "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (Revelation 7:14) Christ does not act as Mediator of the new covenant toward them, yet they benefit from this covenant through the work of God’s Kingdom. Christ still acts toward them, however, as High Priest, through whom Jehovah can and does apply the ransom to the extent of their now being declared righteous as God’s friends. (Compare James 2:23.) During the Millennium, they will gradually "be set free from enslavement to corruption [until finally they] have the glorious freedom of the children of God."—Romans 8:21

  Kwin
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  What would you have done?

  by defd in

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  what would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.

  would you have became his follower?

  how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?

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  kwintestal

  We pray to Jehovah through the proper Mediator, Jesus.

  Defd, I'm sorry. Jesus is not your mediator:

  *** Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11 ch.1 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***

  16 Just as the ancient nation of Israel was in a covenant relationship with Jehovah God through the mediator Moses, so the nation of spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God," has a covenant relationship through a mediator. (Galatians 6:16) It is as the apostle Paul wrote to his Christian fellow worker: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus." (1 Timothy 2:5) Was Moses the mediator between Jehovah God and mankind in general? No, he was the mediator between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants. Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members. This spiritual nation is like a little flock of Jehovah's sheeplike ones.—Romans 9:6; Revelation 7:4.

  How can they say that?

  Kwin
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  Two

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  two, count them, two years of jwd, not including reading here before i joined.

  today makes two years.

  i just made supreme one the other day.

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  kwintestal

  Can you write a book maybe? Title: How to become a Supreme One in two years or less, an autobiography by FlyingHighNow.

  I would read it. It might take a couple years though. By then, you'll be a Supreme One X 2.

  Kwin
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  ARE WE ALLOWED TO CELEBRATE...

  by in a new york bethel minute in

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  hitting a new position on the board?

  because i am a offically master member... so let's all give me undo attention while i have someone beheaded!

  come on guys do some obeisence to me!

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  kwintestal

  It's about time. You've only been here for like ... FOR EVER!

  Kwin (of the drinking too much beer tonight for the first time in a little while class)
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  Wt tax exempt status challenged in Canada

  by JosephMalik in

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  joseph reed is challenging the wt in bc canada.. http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/reedvswt.html.

  joseph.

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  kwintestal

  This will be interesting to follow.

  Kwin
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  Update on Anti-Witness to Former Bible Study...

  by tall penguin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just got off the phone with my former bible study who i haven't talked to in over a year.

  for the backstory look at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/98983/1.ashx .

  so, we chatted about family and just got caught up.

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  kwintestal

  That must not have been easy, but good for you! There are many things that JW's practice that aren't taught until the person is too far in.

  Have you told her that the WTS says that Jesus is not her mediator between her and God, and that the only group of people that Jesus is the mediator is the Faithful and discreet slave? Any Christian would find that sickening, but most JW's don't know the WTS teaches that. I didn't until I left.

  *** Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11 ch.1 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***

  16 Just as the ancient nation of Israel was in a covenant relationship with Jehovah God through the mediator Moses, so the nation of spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God," has a covenant relationship through a mediator. (Galatians 6:16) It is as the apostle Paul wrote to his Christian fellow worker: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus." (1 Timothy 2:5) Was Moses the mediator between Jehovah God and mankind in general? No, he was the mediator between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants. Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members. This spiritual nation is like a little flock of Jehovah's sheeplike ones.—Romans 9:6; Revelation 7:4.

  Kwin
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  I am new here.........

  by hallowedbethyname in

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  long time reader, 1st time poster.. still in the 'borg'.

  trying to disconnect from the hive.

  family and many friends are still in.

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  kwintestal

  Vomit tastes good after a while. Welcome! If this is vomit, I want some more!

  Kwin
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  Setting the Record Straight

  by Scully in

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  re: to sin by silence.

  upon further investigation, it appears that i was in error and misidentified the poster beacon of truth as being lawrence hughes/shunned father.

  the misidentification was based on a telephone conversation that i had with mr hughes on or about august 20, 2005, in which he expressed frustration and the same negative sentiments toward the members of jwd and the lack of support he was perceiving from them for his protest rallies.

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  Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see Lawrence's previous post.

  Can I ask, does Shunned Father agree with the message his friend posted? Is saying he doesn't know who posted it?

  Kwin