i was in exile (df'd) for a year and i found out upon my reinstatement that they weren't handing out new blood cards every year.
i was told that an announcement was made to hang on to your old one.. anybody know the story behind that?
am i wrong and they still hand them out?.
I was in exile (DF'd) for a year and I found out upon my reinstatement that they weren't handing out new blood cards every year. I was told that an announcement was made to hang on to your old one.
Anybody know the story behind that? Am I wrong and they still hand them out?
Just curious. (I tore my card up and pitched it the other day.)
-Dave
i'm not cheap, i'm not trying to scam ray's estate out of $15, i just want to download the book to my palm so i can read it when i get a chance.
i'd grab it from the library, but it's not the sort of coffee-table book i need lying around the house at this point in my life!.
thanks for any links!
>> I really don't know what made Farkel describe you as a "sucker".
Maybe because I was a JW for 15 years? Dead giveaway.
just a little background without mentioning names (this guys son is now a boxer, rated #15th in the world in the 140# class, and seen on shobox 3 months ago).
well he's had a bumpy ride, including divorce, and children from 1st marriage not talking to him anymore.
well i have not seen him in 1 year, but have seen his 2 sons at my.
I recall hearing that people that joined the military were not disfellowshipped, but were considered to have disassociated themselves by their actions. I don't have any quotes from the OM book or anything, but that sounds familiar. Perhaps your friend is in the same boat? It doesn't sound like he wrote a letter, it sounds like something automatic happened.
Does he know he's DA'd?
i'm not cheap, i'm not trying to scam ray's estate out of $15, i just want to download the book to my palm so i can read it when i get a chance.
i'd grab it from the library, but it's not the sort of coffee-table book i need lying around the house at this point in my life!.
thanks for any links!
>> There are no links to get that book.
>> You ARE cheap, sucker. Otherwise, you would just buy
>> the book and you wouldn't have asked how you could get it for free.
>> Loser.
>> And Farkel is right, you are a loser. :-P
For the moment, I'm going to assume these two people are just having a bad day, overly self-righteous, or too young to make reasonable decisions about what to open their mouths about.
If it turns out I'm wrong, this forum isn't going to be worth my time.
Big fish, folks. VERY small pond. Grow up.
-Dave
i'm not cheap, i'm not trying to scam ray's estate out of $15, i just want to download the book to my palm so i can read it when i get a chance.
i'd grab it from the library, but it's not the sort of coffee-table book i need lying around the house at this point in my life!.
thanks for any links!
Hey Gang,
I searched on phrases from chapter one, it's nowhere to be found but in that link. :-(
My library has a copy so I reserved it. I guess I'll just read it at work.
Thanks for all the help, Everyone!
Dave
i'm not cheap, i'm not trying to scam ray's estate out of $15, i just want to download the book to my palm so i can read it when i get a chance.
i'd grab it from the library, but it's not the sort of coffee-table book i need lying around the house at this point in my life!.
thanks for any links!
I found chapter 1:
http://www.commentarypress.com/eng-crisis-ch1.html
I prefer reading on my Palm since I can carry several 'books' with me and read whichever one I want, whenever I want. I still read paper books, but I prefer the Palm. Mostly I use Plucker to retrieve and read stuff. A little flaky but it mostly gets the job done.
i'm not cheap, i'm not trying to scam ray's estate out of $15, i just want to download the book to my palm so i can read it when i get a chance.
i'd grab it from the library, but it's not the sort of coffee-table book i need lying around the house at this point in my life!.
thanks for any links!
I'm not cheap, I'm not trying to scam Ray's estate out of $15, I just want to download the book to my Palm so I can read it when I get a chance. I'd grab it from the library, but it's not the sort of coffee-table book I need lying around the house at this point in my life!
Thanks for any links!
i am not a jw, my spouse is getting way into it -- 4 times a week.
i am not sure what she is doing - and i am not interested in jw -- it is not for me or my children.
a sister was coming to my home -- without my consent and giving a "study" to my children.
My comments were premature, I only read the first page of comments on this thread. (I'm new, too, and still learning how things work. Oh, and I'm stupid, too, so there's that...)
I'm glad you're already focusing on the positive and not giving them an evil Satan to faithfully resist. It's no fun being a martyr if nobody's trying to kill you.
i am not a jw, my spouse is getting way into it -- 4 times a week.
i am not sure what she is doing - and i am not interested in jw -- it is not for me or my children.
a sister was coming to my home -- without my consent and giving a "study" to my children.
Hey Marcos,
I would dial back the "persecution", and quick. The others are right, you don't want to let your family get knee-deep in this stuff, but you also don't want to unwittingly push them into it. Jesus said family members would turn on his followers, that they would be persecuted. By resisting your children's learning, you are providing a "fulfillment" of that prophecy.
This isn't advice, just brain storming. What if you study *with* her? Give it an honest evaluation. Don't come off all 'look here' and 'see, this is bunk', but just ask subtle questions. Not obvious stuff like, "Where did Cain get his wife?" (married an aunt, or a sister) but more poignant things like "Why would God listen to and answer a prayer offered by ten people, but not by one person?" (Paul asked people to pray for him, was Jehovah unwilling to help him based on his own prayers? Why?)
Studying yourself would also give you more leverage with the kids. "As the family head, the spirituality of my family is my responsibility," you could sincerely state, "I need to see for myself that this is the right religion to teach my kids before I can allow them to be taught it."
There's not going to be any easy answers here. But it's a sure bet that if you put up a big fight, you'll just be labelled an 'opposed unbelieving husband', she'll be talked to by others sisters in the hall that have unbelieving husbands, and she'll believe she's enduring your persecution for Jesus.
So, Everybody, What can Marcos do to help his wife see the fallacies of the org without coming off like a pawn of Satan?
Dave
one thing i'm convinced of is that jws live in their own little bubble.
the world could be in chaos around them but not missing a meeting is what's most important.
children of jws could be going thru teenage trauma or even molestation, but are they getting their "time" in??
Their view of science is all out of whack. They don't know what to believe from those arrogant, self-righteous scientists and what they must reject. For many I've known, it's not worth the effort -- they just ignore anything that isn't printed in an Awake. One witness actually asked me, "Do you believe dinosaurs existed?" Believe? Well, there are all these bones and stuff, I mean, it seems *awfully likely* that they existed, but let me check the Index...
