...it won that time slot that night, anyway.
i was curious about how many people the show actually reached.
here are the overnight ratings for tuesday, may 28:.
There was a Dateline program two or three weeks before that dealt with the Catholic child abuse. Many on the board thought it was a prelude, warming up for Dateline, JW molestation program. Could any of you knowledgeable ones look up the ratings for that program and compare it with JW dateline program.?
Interested peeps would like to know.
belbab
well, as i've mentioned before, even though i am an ex-jw at heart, i am still forced to go to meetings and occasionally in field service due to my circumstances (live at home with parents).
my time out in field service is pretty low, as i only spend like an hour a month out just to keep my family off my back, and that hour is usually one hour of rv with some poineers, so i can't remember the last time i actually really went out, or spoke to anyone at the door .
i guess out of "spiritual" concern, by uncle sent me the following article a couple of weeks ago:.
In a training course one time, the bethel instructor said, never give the publishers a pillow, they find one themselves. I am surprised they even suggested a 'break' but of course it can't be too long or better yet don't take one at all.
belbab
many on this forum criticize elders as being incompetent.
i've know a few myself, but you must agree that there are also very good elders also.. well, here is a case and i would like to know what you would do if you were an elder.. a fourteen (14) year old male has sex with a twelve (12) year old female.
the female confesses to her parents and the parents report to the elders.
Puffs rule
Right on,
Reading all the info posted since Dateline 5/28, it is the women who are rising up in arms and ringing the alarms.
So suddenly we see posts arising written by elders putting on woman's identities and spinneng a web of damage control. Where did JW 'sisters'suddenly know to such a depth the Society's confidential policies. How come they suddenly speak with such authority, and with legal/service desk vocabulary.
See The Star's post with a similar lengthy article dealing in depth with the Dateline program. I am not saying that woman do not have this ability, but how come all of a sudden they say they are woman but are speaking as "glorious ones".
It reminds me of the old comedy movie, The police set up a road block dressed up as common folk, then the camera focuses on the big heavy boots they are all wearing, and exposes their identity and their stupidity.
So Mother Matrix, lift up your skirt and show us the real goods, then maybe we will believe you.
belbab
ok i visited the about.com forum (christianity - general) to see if anyone there mentioned the dateline story and sure enough there was a mention of it.
a jw replied to it and i couldn't resist but to post a different view of the situation.
she of course replied to me and much of what she said is very distrubing and some of it is out right lies.
Star,
I don't have much time to give you the depth of reply you request.
I can understand your plea for help. This article you found on another site is not just the average JW talking. I am pretty sure it is not a woman either. This is too close to Societies position, too authorative. I am of the opinion that it comes from the legal dept or someone in the know. I am not familiar with the site you obtained it from. Can you check the times the initial post was made and when the JW elder replied. If the time between the two is not very long, you know that this is a pre=packaged spin doctoring straight from Brooklyn or some retired DO who is assigned on damage control. The guy knows too much and seems to have access to data from service dept. files with all the WT legalese and vocabulary.
I posted an article a while ago on the two witness requirement.
at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24050&site=3
At this thread many of the points you require info on are brought up.
I will try and post further comments in this thread later if I can manage it.
the "pay attention" elders manual gives us clear advice.
on judging repentance in cases of serious sin.. first, as to the nature of the sin, watchtower leaders.
are guilty of loose conduct - defined as "wanton.
There was a Japanese movie I saw once, I can't think of the title, about a Japanese warlord who for years created mayhem and tryanny throughout his land.
He thought it came time for him to retire. So he divided the kingdom between his three sons, warlords wannabes.
Instead of a quiet peaceful retirement, all hell broke loose. Fire. sword, blood and guts everywhere. I believe the old warlord lost his eyes in a fire, and was banished out in the boondocks, cared for by his faithful and sometimes not so faithful court jester.
The moral of the story, was no rest for the wicked, one's past catches up with tyrants.
So leave the WT leaders destroy themselves, so far they are doing a pretty good job.
belbab
hi, i'm new....and i am searching for a place to call home..... i was raised in a strict catholic family....sexually abused by a jesuit priest....left the church....married....was baptized a witness in 1975...regular pioneered for about 5 and a half years (1988 to 1994)...quit that...diagnosed depressed....have slowly drifted away....and now...with the news of what is happening within the organization and offenders and pedophiles....i find that i can't stay in the organization....i can't be a part of something that so closely resembles the catholic church and all their deceptiveness.... i have no "home"...... thanks for listening....
Darkwanderer,
Look yonder, wanderer, light at the end of the tunnel
Take off your boots, set yourself down, relax, and stay awhile.
Belbab
they took off and would line the plane and come barreling in at a 100 ft bottom end.
the pilot would give a thumbs up and scream dump!
then the guy in the back would cut loose with the flyers .... .
DCG,
I read it last night too, try reading it again. I was respecting the original posters request. I should have said, source classified, with tongue in cheek.
There are quite a few replies to the original thread, but no one even mentionned the possibility that this is a diversion tactic, or just plain ole country folks playin a hoax.
thanks for posting your thoughts and observations.
belbab
*** w86 1/1 13 days like "the days of noah" ***.
12 shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in jehovahs organization have succumbed to.
immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting.
That 1986 Watchtower admitting to JW pedophilia had a printing of 12 million copies. That doesn't sound like a "coverup" to me!
One way to cover up a most obnoxious piece of garbage is to bury it in the midst of other garbage. Dead bodies have been concealed in garbage.
One of the defenses that the WT and its advocates have been telling us is: we have done our outmost to expose pedophilia. And they set out an array of Awake magazines and video clips to say, "See! No Cover Up"
When they start to releases names, places and start to make right to wrongs done to victims, then I'll believe them.
belbab
they took off and would line the plane and come barreling in at a 100 ft bottom end.
the pilot would give a thumbs up and scream dump!
then the guy in the back would cut loose with the flyers .... .
They took off and would line the plane and come barreling in at a 100 ft bottom end. The pilot would give a thumbs up and scream dump! Then the guy in the back would cut loose with the flyers ....
Has any body checked this story out, phoned congregations? Checked with neighbours or checked with newspapers in that area?
Does anyone smell another 'police confrontation in Kingdom Hall story.'
The above quote, (source classified) seems to indicate this is something reminiscent of Dr. Stangelove movie.
I am a long way from Kentucky, don't even know the towns, maybe someone more familiar with the area could check it out.
It sounds like diversionary tactics.
belbab.
here's why children are suffering.... dueteronomy 19:15 says...........no single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or a sin, in the case of any sin that he may commit.. at the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good.
16. in case a witness scheming violence should rise up against a man to bring a charge of revolt against him, 17. the two men that have the dispute must also stand before jehovah, before the priests and the judges, who will be acting in those days.
18 and the judges must search thoroughly, and if the witness is a false charge against his brother.
crawdad two,
I started a thread before on two witnesses. There are cases in the Bible where there is only one human witness. The other witness is the Creator himself, or that which is namely facts of existance.
The thread is here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24050&site=3
When I wrote this thread I didn't want to make it any longer than it is. There are other references that also show what is to be done when there is only one witness.
For example the Bible speaks of persons taking an oath. Jesus said when opposers told him he was witnessing for himself. Said if you don't believe what I am telling you, then believe the works that I am doing. In other words, the works that he was doing attested or gave witness that he was doing God's work. The works that he was doing was the second witness. In Malachi it states that Jah would be a swift witness against adulterers and such.
In the courts of the land, today, one swears to tell the truth upon the Bible, they declare an oath. If a person is accused of child molestation and denies it. Why doesn't he agree to a lie detector test? Why don't the elders ask him to go before the congregation from the platform and say I have been accused of being a child molester, I hereby swear before you and by Jehovah God that I have not committed the crimes that I am accused off. That would be a powerful stimulous to tell the truth.
Many times we see on the news where a politician is accused of wrongdoing. He goes before the press, and makes a public denial of the charges. Why can't witnesses do the same.
I hope to go in more detail and explanations from the Bible that the Watchtower position is WRONG
belbab
