ok so i have pissed my wife off today, but i couldn't hold my tongue on this one.
lol
we are going bowling tonight and she had on this sweatshirt that her daughter (also jw) gave her from college.
If a JW used the expression, SON OF A BITCH in public or from the platform imagine the repercussions.
Is there any difference with Jesus calling the pharisees SONS OF SNAKES? Was the impact of this expression any different than calling them SONS OF BITCHES in his day? I think not.
belbab
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winter is yuck, repeat after me......yuck .
gee, im anxious for the spring to be here.....i mean the summer
JH
Winter pictures from my apartment
ARRET, stop sign at the corner of Blvd d'Outremont.
I know where you are,
belbab
hi everyone, sorry i've not been here for ages............... anyways, lately our house has been fetting quite a few knocks on the door by a jw who lives on my street.
sometimes he's alone, sometimes he's accompanied, but the odd thing is is that before we could go months without a visit from the wt's foot soldiers, and now lately we've been getting visits once or twice a week.
if we realise it's them we don't answer the door, but every now and then we get caught off guard and have to explain nicely that we're busy and not really interested.
Because he lives on the same street as you, it sounds like he is using your residence to start his time. As you said , many times you do not answer the door, but occasionally it happens you do. He would much rather you were not home, but since you answered the door and usually take the magazines he doesn't lose either, he gets to count magazines on his report and also probably counts you as a back call.
belbab
Severus,
Can you put a slot on top with a sign contribution box.
belbab
in the recent thread regarding the watchtower letters to all congregations regarding hlc and blood transfusions i quoted the following quote and added the comment following.
first, in the opening letter (jan 3, 1995) addressed to the congregation, it states: our computerized listing of cooperative doctors shows more than 19,000 in the united states.
the worldwide listing from all the branches reports more than 50,000 doctors working with us.
Chere Madame Quixote,
I find it difficult also to understand academic articles, interspersed with many references and technical jargon. I will do my best to summarize the second article as it refers to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The numbers refer to the order of paragraphs in the article. This is how I see it, and it may not be the exact thoughts of the author.
SUMMARY
1. Midwifery is a complex and challenging profession. It can be chaotic. By reflection on the challenging chaotic dilemmas that arise, by recognizing personal behavior, feelings and effects upon oneself and others, a learning process takes place. New alternatives in treatment can be created for the benefit of all.
2. For students to learn how to apply theory to practice it is vital to learn how to reflect on all aspects of difficult situations that arise.
3. During a previous shift of the author and her mentor, a woman in their care, after delivery, suddenly started bleeding and lost a liter and a half of blood. (Serious)
4. The next day, with the previous shift still on their minds, another situation arose with Anne, a Jehovah’s witness who had signed a health care directive stating she refuses blood and blood products. Her husband also reiterated to the two midwives that she was not to have blood. Anne also signed another form for the doctor, but she did not understand what she had signed and asked the midwives later what the doctor had said to her.
5. The author as midwife knew that there was a risk of sudden blood loss that could happen quickly. So she carefully made plans and preparations for such a contingency.
6. During the delivery, Anne started to talk about accepting blood fractions. However, she was not clear what this meant, only that she had read about it in the Watchtower magazine.
7. Anne realized that there was a necessity to receive a blood fraction after delivery, a fraction that was forbidden by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Anne’s husband, increasingly anxious, voiced, no blood in any form. Providentially, no complications arose.
8. The author reflects further on her feelings, her concern for Anne. From her previous day’s sudden and quick emergency of blood loss she and her co-workers became aware of their incredible anxiety.
9. Other midwives also were uneasy and anxious. They knew that in the previous year, a Jehovah’s Witness bled to death after delivery.
10. During Anne’s pregnancy and at time of delivery, she had changed her mind numerous times concerning the acceptance of blood derivatives. It was the husband who read the forms and told his wife to sign. Later the wife asked the midwives for clarification.
11. Both the husband and the wife demonstrated confusion concerning “fractions of blood”. The author felt that the couple were irresponsible for not knowing the requirements of their religion. She goes on to cite statistics that show that Jehovah’s witnesses women giving birth are at a 44-fold risk of maternal death.
12. The WT’s decision to tweak its transfusion policy has clearly created some confusion. AJWRB seek to educate all, regarding irrational aspects of the blood policy. Informed choice without fear of sanctions should prevail. Anne should have been counseled individually and privately
13. Anne had signed consent forms when told to do so by her husband. Consent or non consent should be based on thorough information and competence before making a voluntary and unforced decision. Consent or withholding consent is a woman’s choice. It is of note that legally the consent, and conversely the withholding of consent by a husband of a client is not recognized by law.
14. Jehovah’s Witness, as fundamental Christians, base their decisions on blood on Bible texts in Leviticus and Acts. The WT magazine is cited regarding blood components, that “each Christian, after careful and powerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself.”
15. When caring for clients with such religious beliefs…..remain professional and non-judgemental at all times
16. Midwifery is a profession in which ethical and moral dilemmas are commonplace.
17. In retrospect, she thinks she did her job, she planned, she prepared. If a similar situation occurred again, she would see that the expectant mother was counselled privately by a senior staff member without the presence of her husband to ensure she is not under pressure from another person. This was clearly an emotive situation and could have resulted in a high-risk obstetric emergency. If so her religious beliefs would have been respected and she would have received the best possible care.
18. Individuality must be accounted for and respected.
Question: Were secular medical misrepresentations in evidence during this trying episode or were the un-coerced choices made by the woman giving birth solely based on understandings of religious Biblical texts?
belbab
the twelve men who exert control over the lives of 6,000,000 people and who could put a stop to all the harm caused to families if they wanted to:
as i said in another thread, most of them started partaking the emblems after 1935. that's a clear sign that there's a corrosion of the "remnant" doctrine, because now most of the governing body are considered "replacements" of 'anointed ones who have fallen away'.
i finally found out the new gb members' ages.
In a discussion with an artist once, he said that to paint a portrait of someone is difficult because the two sides of a face are different. Celebrities, movie stars know this, they always want to show their better side.
I have learnt that if you want to see revelations of a persons inner personality, take a piece of paper and fold it to get a staight edge. Then with the paper cover one half of the face and look at the other half.
I know the photos on the screen are small, if they could be enlarged you would see it better.
You will be surprised what you can see.
belbab
of the 10 points mentioned that the wtbts is not a corp, which one do you not agree on and why?
personnel committee symposium.
february 22, 1999 .
Unc, Blondie and All,
Back around 1959, the head of the service department in Canadian Bethel was Jack Nathan, originally from England along with Percy Chapman, the branch servant.
Jack Nathan, gave an illustration once that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Corporation was a wagon, and into that wagon, Jehovah and JC had put all their earthly belongings.
At the time, I thought, what a wonderful illustration.
Eventually, though, after some ten years or so, I realized, what happened to David when he tried to transport the ark of the covenent in a wagon, the wheels fell off and no spare tire.
The Goodies of God, were to be carried on the shoulders of men, with the woman voicing the chorus as the procession progressed through history.
Loch's talk is just an effort to grease the creaky wheels of their wagon. It is ending up at the threshing floor, and fast becoming a tourist attraction not only for JWD but the world in general.
belbab
hey guys,.
listen, we were all "brothers" and "sisters" at one time and it didn't really mean shit.
i'd've turned my back on the lot o' ya when i was a jw and i found out you were apostates.. but now we're all truly brothers and sisters.
Break, break, break,
On thy cold gray stones, O Sea!
And I would that my tongue could utter
The thoughts that arise in me.
I have read all the posts in this thread, and each and every one have sunk deep down within me. I am sorry I did not pay attention to this thread earlier, but I was on the way to post on other threads and was sidetracked into this one.
I can relate to your thoughts to unfathomable depths. Forty years ago, less one,
a certain man was swallowed up in the depths of despair. That winter, according to the press was the worst winter since 1907. If you could access police reports, which you can’t, they would say that the certain man was found in a snow bank, walletless, nameless, after all, he couldn’t bring reproach on Jeho’s name could he? If you could converse with members of that person’s community at that time, they would tell you, lightheartedly, that the individual had gone off the deep end, cracked up, gone bonkers, demonized.
That person was rescued by some friends, stood upon his feet, but he was no longer the same person. He had found the enemy and that enemy was us. Several years later after being hunted down, by Splane and Associates he was thrown outside the camp.
He had learned, experienced the black hole of depression, and came to the conclusion that depression was death and there is life after death, after depression. Nuff said about him.
Fast forward to almost a decade ago. Belbab and his wife received a phone call in the middle of the night from a young university student across the water about 150 miles away. He had just climbed down from a chair, with a noose formed from his mountain climbing rope around his neck and he phoned. What brought him down from that chair, what robbed the grim reaper as he called it? It was a vestige of love for the living.
Where is the young man at this hour, today? He is up on Mount Washington, a ski mountain learning avalanche rescue techniques. He belongs to the local search and rescue group. A few weeks earlier, he was up on the same mountain with others recovering a corpse of a man who had doused himself with gasoline and burnt himself to death. Some nights ago, he woke up shouting in terror, a corpse was sleeping beside him in bed.
Yes there is life after death, after the death of depression and related mental disabilities. If you can believe it, there is life before this life and life after the dissolving of the body of this life. Even the life of the one we are mourning on this thread lives on, not just in our memories, but in the depths of our souls, our hearts. Each one of us, resonates to the anguish and sorrow of the departed one.
Is there any practical thing we can do beyond acceptance and resignation? Some of you have suggested various helpful suggestions. Can I offer you a glimmer of hope?
I have searched for these many years for answers. The Bible, scientific, psychology, medical books, life it self, etc, etc. Like Joseph in Egypt, I have been storing up the goods.
Do you know that depression and other related maladies are not prevalent amongst the Inuit and Japanese people? Do you know why it is very prevalent in Americans? Do you know why post-partum depression exists?
The answers to these questions concern a certain essential fatty acid. It is prevalent in wild fish. The essential fatty acids are components of omega 3, namely EPA and DHA. EPA is the more essential one.
Rather than expound my own learning, let me refer you to two books written by two doctors of medical research.
The first: The Madness of Adam and Eve, by David Horribin, MD.This book is a study of the rise of intelligence and creativity across the millennia of humanity, and his convincing evidence depends on diet, and that diet contains the essential acids mentioned above. The creativity of humanity arises, through the shamanistic ones, who we today designate as Schizophrenic.
The second book: The Omega-3 Connection by Andrew L. Stoll, MD
The Groundbreaking Omega-3 Antidepression Diet and Brain Program.
Both these doctors have web sites. They can easily be found through Google.
I obtained the books in our local public library. I intend to order my own copies. If any of you can’t gain access to them and do not have funds to order them, then I will lend you mine.
As an added note, why do Jehovah’s Witnesses, have a surprisingly high rate of depression and similar maladies. One reason, I believe, is their stressful, pleasureless monotonous manipulated lives. They also, especially pioneers, do not live today with the necessary nutrients, but sacrifice their present to the Great Yahoo in the sky and ephemeral promises of some grassy, cow-shitless pasture in the future.
There, I feel better.
belbab
millions now living will bequeath us in their wills !
g'day tax dodgers, .
recently my father-in-law died.
Long time no see, Uncld Bruise
Ah, a welcome fresh, balmy breeze wafting up from down under, and bringing some respite to the Pacific Northwest where we have had just about two months of solid rain, pummeling the coast.
Glad to see you back, I see your language has mellowed out a little, but still has the old spark. Don’t let your lengthy absence hinder your outspokenness, don’t be bashful, let it all hang out and speak your mind. We can take it.
I see the Watchtower down there is still selling indulgences just like in the days of ole Martin Luther. Nail a few proclamations on the Kingdom Hall doors, figuratively speaking.
You say that your father in law elder gave half the house to the Watchtower, which half? Hope it is the half with the shitter. I hope you got someone living in your half and kinda spilling over into the other half. And keep a big ole ram in the front yard. Wasn’t there a court case about a ram bunting out a Jay Dub door to door walker, down there once?
So what I am saying in three words is: Contest! Contest! Contest! an’ don’t feel shy about it. I heard recently, from someone who seems to be in the know, and he never told me not to repeat it, but WT Department of Financial Affairs (TM reg) has a policy that they will settle out of court for a sum of fifty thousand to one hundred and twenty thousand to avoid the legal costs of going to court. If it goes over that limit, they will do battle and no holds barred right down to your undy pants. So raise some stink, get it into the newspapers if you can.
So even by posting on this board you are making your humble, timid intentions known to them. I believe some of their legal boys, even skip reading the morning Bible day text, and spend the time in perusing the events being revealed on this board. It keeps them on their toes, with one hand on their wallet and the other hand scratching their asses wondering what to do.
To hold their attention I started a post called FOLLOW THE MONEY AND COVER THE TRACKS at:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/106024/1.ashx
One of the posts there by Merry Auld Soul mentions the name JAMES MC CABE esq. handling some real estate for some New York financiers in Brooklyn. Do a Google on him.
Your salutation, Welcome Tax Dodgers, is lacking an appropriate adjective.
It should be the Brooklyn Tax Dodgers, however I heard they moved to Callyfonia, a few years back. McCabe, is their manager out there, I believe.
Hang in there and keep us posted. belbab
i'll look into this and see if i can find a local angle--we need someone in the greater sacramento area who has a personal stake in this to make a story work.
i don't suppose you have any contacts here that would be willing to talk to a reporter?
ah, well, too much to ask, i guess.. .
Bryan,
I have been seeing this post here for several days without much success.
Try this if it works for you.
Recently I wanted to locate a blood transfusion case in The Vancouver BC newspapers back in the early nineties. Through the Public Library facilities, I was able for free to gain access to the newspaper archives. I knew the dates of the court cases so I found all the articles relating to it.
If you, using the net, search in all the newspapers archives, by typing in Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, you may get a lead to people to contact. For example in my search I was able to get names of non-witness relatives that were involved, the name of the lawyer who handled the case against the Society's lawyer etc.
There may be news articles from the past, that may be forgotten by present reporters .
Hope this helps.
belbab
