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  the returning ... a question for thos raised in hell (whoops "the truth")

  by Odinseeker in

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  i was just wondering for thos that have been raised within and then were df'ed ... did you return before giving it up for good?.

  i grew up with the terror of post vnam and 1975 being the end or the end being just around the cornor, i was df'ed, thought long and hard.

  and returned anyway.

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  Monski

  The only thing that can be done! I hope I have attached the picture correctly or this won't make sense!
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  the returning ... a question for thos raised in hell (whoops "the truth")

  by Odinseeker in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just wondering for thos that have been raised within and then were df'ed ... did you return before giving it up for good?.

  i grew up with the terror of post vnam and 1975 being the end or the end being just around the cornor, i was df'ed, thought long and hard.

  and returned anyway.

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  Monski

  I would also like to thank everyone in this forum. Similarly to Snapdragon, I was nearly conned back into it and reading all of your comments has finally made me say "get stuffed!"

  Thank you all!
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  the returning ... a question for thos raised in hell (whoops "the truth")

  by Odinseeker in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just wondering for thos that have been raised within and then were df'ed ... did you return before giving it up for good?.

  i grew up with the terror of post vnam and 1975 being the end or the end being just around the cornor, i was df'ed, thought long and hard.

  and returned anyway.

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  Monski

  A lot of people do return. I have just been speaking to my parents who have tried in vain to return me to "the fold". They have given me examples of other df'd ones who are now returning. Do you know why they are going back? It is due to loneliness and lack of family involvement! Not a good reason I think. My problem is that I was raised to be too moral. I refuse to devote my life to something that I do not believe simply to have a relationship with my family. So I walk alone with my life in tatters. However, I think this is the right course instead of living a lie. In any case, if I were to believe the WTS principles, I would still be destroyed at Armageddon because Jehovah would see into my heart and know it is not in the right place. So what's the point?

  Regards,

  A disgruntled ex-JW!
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  They Aren't Your Friends

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when i announced, at the c.o's meeting with the elders, that i was quiting and giving up, the brother who gave the prayer.

  nearly burst into tears.. a couple months later, him and his wife pass us in the hall and hall and sit down in front of us: not a single glance or hello.

  or hint of recognition.

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  Old Hippie.

  Dogs don't care what religion you are and how you live your life. They just reciprocate the love you show them! Pity most humans (particularly former JW friends) are not the same!
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  its just me ,,,,

  by looking-4-the-truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how are you ... and hope everyone is good.

  anyways, i'm a muslim guy and i live in the states ,,, i do love living in here ,,, and my wife is christain " mormon " ,,,,,,,,,,, .

  and i'd love to discuse with one of you about the bible ,,,,,,, .

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  Monski

  I seem to remember from my JW days that there was talk of "The King of the North and the King of the South" spoken of in Revelation (I think - it has been 10 years since I left!) being interpreted as being Russia and America during the cold war. There was something about a seven headed beast as well. I think they said it was the United nations. Or was that the "two horned beast". I can't remember.
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  'Neath The Tower Of Fear: Video

  by Corvin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i put this little video together to get my mind of recent events.

  it sort of expresses my disenchantment and awakening since leaving the organization.

  i hope you enjoy it.

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  Monski

  Nice one Corvin! I enjoyed it too. A breath of fresh air to ex-JW's!

  As for converting to DVD, I'm working on it. Will post if I succeed.
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  No New Order?

  by techton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm a newbie here...but i remember posts about jesus never having mentioned the prospect of eternal life on earth.......my personal theory is that as the numbers of jw's began to go past 144,000 in the mid-1930s, it was felt that an explanation had to be offered to the rank-and-file, and the idea of the "great crowd" living eternally on earth fit the bill......so much so that an explosion of numbers began because no one wanted to be left out on the prospect of eternal life in paradise.. if a business can tell people something, and it dramatically increases traffic, isn't the temptation too great?

  wouldn't, in time, the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives (such as a compromise to honesty, and, in fact, wouldn't the original lie be lost to the sands of time?.

  my dad (a widower, who has been in the org.

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  Why are we so concerned with why we are here and what is our purpose? WE ARE HERE and that's all that matters. We have about 70-100 years if we are lucky. Don't blow it all by being concerned that there may be something afterwards. What if there isn't and more importantly, why should there be? We are blessed with intelligence. At least I think it is a blessing. Animals don't care about where they come from and why they are here. They just try to survive and further their species by producing offspring. Why don't we just try to make the best of what we have now? Live a good life, prosper yourself and your family and be happy. Don't tread on other people, be kind to them. If we followed these simple rules there would be no problems and no cause for debate. We do not need religion - just common sense!
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  JW's and the question of alien existence

  by Monski in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that jw's do not believe in the existence of alien beings as the bible has nothing to say on the matter.

  everything seems to revolve around the planet earth and the possibility of there being alien life is considered to be apostate.

  sounds a bit like the oppression that galileo received from the catholic church when he suggested that the earth moved around the sun and not vice-versa!.

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  Good points made. However, mankind seems to be too sure of itself I feel. Those "unlikely" series of events that lead to the perfect environment for life to exist could be duplicated somewhere else by a "divine" being (if creation is correct). Nowhere did I mention chance. I am talking about God having other races elsewhere that could be doing much better than us. Would he have reason to tell us about their existence? He hasn't told us much about our own planet let alone those elsewhere in the universe.

  Anyway, have the scientists (who I am sure know much more than me) looked at every single one of the 200 billion stars in our galaxy? Unlikely I think as it would take several hundred million years to examine! Oh, and then I forgot, there are hundreds of billions of galaxies as well! We do assume a lot don't we.

  I am just making the point that the creator could have many "experiments" going on all over the place. What makes us so important? It is like one of us being extremely concerned with a colony of ants in Southern Namibia. Would you really care what happens to them? If he is the perfect creator and can do no wrong, why did he create us with the ability to err? Don't talk about free will as I know you are all thinking. If he can do no wrong, has he a free will? Interesting isn't it?
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  Will there ever be a computer in a KH?

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  no matter where you go today, you'll find a computer.

  do you think that one day computers will be found in kh's?

  they could store tons of information on each witness, instead of writting it down on a piece of paper.

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  Monski

  Computers? The invention of Satan!
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  No New Order?

  by techton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm a newbie here...but i remember posts about jesus never having mentioned the prospect of eternal life on earth.......my personal theory is that as the numbers of jw's began to go past 144,000 in the mid-1930s, it was felt that an explanation had to be offered to the rank-and-file, and the idea of the "great crowd" living eternally on earth fit the bill......so much so that an explosion of numbers began because no one wanted to be left out on the prospect of eternal life in paradise.. if a business can tell people something, and it dramatically increases traffic, isn't the temptation too great?

  wouldn't, in time, the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives (such as a compromise to honesty, and, in fact, wouldn't the original lie be lost to the sands of time?.

  my dad (a widower, who has been in the org.

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  Monski

  It all comes back to the real basis for religion. Have a look at most of the religions out there and you will find that their foundations are based on the desire of the important people to control or influence the underlings. DO THIS OR YOU WILL DIE seems to be the overriding teaching. Power and control is the object, nothing else. People live their lives in the constant belief that there is something better if they toe the line and, therefore waste their lives in the process. You only get one shot at life so use it to the full!