Posts by wiegel

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I Appreciate Barbara Anderson

by minimus in

jw
friends

i'd just like to say that i believe barbara's a wonderful addition to this site and i appreciate all her contributions in her pursuit to expose the watchtower's deceit.

Let's face it, this forum is a real smelting pot sometimes, with so many smart, thinking, feeling, hurt, angry, loving truth-seekers, that any "news" published here is subject to the most grueling scrutiny at the hands of its members. Personally, I not only enjoy, but count on, issues being hashed and rehashed to get at the truth. Most of us will not take anything at face value again for a long, long time, and I believe this is a good thing.

Barbara is, among other things, a woman, and that alone makes her my hero. Coming out of a church where girls aren't even allowed to "handle the microphones", Barbara shows us the truth about women. I love knowing that she worked at the very core of the beast and I bet she still refilled the empty toilet paper roll whenever she saw one (ladies, you know what I'm talking about - hehe!).

Brave doesn't come close to describing her defection, she is undaunted, and she is still the same person she has always been. Dedicated, honest, loving, kind, except that she is now free. And instead of running away from the controversy, she had hit it head on in her pursuit for justice.

Bash the "good news"? Still waters run deep, and this "old black water" keeps on rollin, very very deep - the ramifications of this "good news" are yet to come, but inescapable. Thank you, Barbara, for being you! You are awesome and I know you know way more than you are sharing with us even now. Please stick around!

Trudy (of the "girls can not only handle, but would "clean" those microphones, as well" class)

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Naysayers and the "Big News"

by avishai in

jw
friends

many of us don't see the legal ramifications of this info., or even the importance of changing the blood doctrine.

915 people died in jonestown.

it's highly likely that as many, many of them children die per year as a result of this policy.. now, many have also lost heart about other cases, because there has'nt been much media attention lately, plus there was a post, or a message from bethel that stated that the wts won all the child molestation cases.

wiegel

I have not been able to get the entire essay "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation" to read yet, but reading the excerpts alone has given me hope for others.

How so? Only a few weeks ago, a member of my family who is a witness said "If my husband and I had "a sliver of a doubt that this was the truth, we would be so outta here!" Did she know what she was saying? Pretty loaded comment. What I heard is that they are "burdened, tired, worn-out, exhausted, and would love to dump the whole load".

"A sliver of a doubt". I know that so many feel this way and are just ready to bolt, I know that was me when I read CofC. It exposed the LIES, not arguing doctrine etc, but showing the truth about how it works at the top. LIES.

Now, what really hit ME while reading the excerpts from Barbara is this:

Excerpt #1 from "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation."

Government intervention into religious exercise through meeting this test is rooted in legal precedent. In Reynolds v. U.S., one of the first decisions limiting religious freedom, the Supreme Court upheld a law criminalizing polygamy because of the state’s compelling interest in protection of the family unit.

[3] Additionally, courts are now willing to allow aggrieved citizens to sue their church if it misrepresented a secular fact.[4] For example, one court has held a religious organization liable for misrepresenting its use of donated funds.[5]
Similarly, the Catholic Church became engulfed in a flood of tort law suits following revelations that some of its priests sexually abused minors and that the church allowed known sex-offender priests to continue their posts.[6] ......

I see the following quote as the real key to this new "tool" to expose the lies:

"The essay examines the State’s power to protect its citizens by allowing followers and their families to pursue legal action against a religion when it misrepresents secular facts which harmed the followers."

If this isn't loaded, I don't know what is. How about a financial accounting for the funds donated to the WWW (World-Wide Work)? How about an accounting for not informing their believers about the molesters in their midst? These are NOT doctrinal issues, they have to do with "secular facts". I am not a law student, but what I am reading seems to intimate that they may now be held liable for mis-information on a purely secular level - their "cut n paste" method of presenting their followers with half truths and statements totally out of context to further their own points.

And there there is DUMBO - wouldn't they love to get their hands on this info?

Well, that having been said, I think this is BIG NEWS, but it is just the beginning.........slivers of doubt to fill many quivers have just been ordered up.

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Journal of Church and State: WT NO-BLOOD EXPOSE'

by AndersonsInfo in

(baylor university, waco, tx) an essay entitled, "jehovah's witnesses, blood transfusions, and the tort of misrepresentation," found in the autumn issue of baylor universitys prestigious journal of church and state, published december 13, 2005, exposes the vulnerability of jehovahs witnesses religious organization to massive claims for compensation because of the religions misrepresentation of the medical risks of blood transfusions.

this milestone essay critically examines one of the religions main publications for teaching their children and new recruits about their blood beliefs, how can blood save your life?

the peer-reviewed essay details many misrepresentations of medical facts, which the religion partly relies on to support its blood prohibition, thus denying its members from making fully informed medical decisions.

wiegel

This is just the first domino to fall - MY THOUGHTS CLICK HERE.

BIG NEWS is first domino to fall - no doctrine - just plain ole lies!

by wiegel in

this is the first time i have started a post here.

i have not been able to get the entire essay "jehovah's witnesses, blood transfusions, and the tort of misrepresentation" to read yet, but reading the excerpts alone has given me hope.

only a few weeks ago, a member of my family who is a witness said "if my husband and i had "a sliver of a doubt that this was the truth, we would be so outta here!

wiegel

This is the first time I have started a post here. I have not been able to get the entire essay "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation" to read yet, but reading the excerpts alone has given me hope.

How so? Only a few weeks ago, a member of my family who is a witness said "If my husband and I had "a sliver of a doubt that this was the truth, we would be so outta here!" Did she know what she was saying? Pretty loaded comment, what I heard is that they are "burdened, tired, worn-out, exhausted, and would love to dump the whole load".

"A sliver of a doubt". I wonder how many of them feel this way, how many would latch onto something to set them free. I think there are thousands, and I was one of them. CofC set me free because of the way "secular facts" were exposed, appealing to my intelligence.

Now, what really hit ME while reading the excerpts from Barbara is this:

Excerpt #1 from "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the
Tort of Misrepresentation."
Government intervention into religious exercise through meeting this
test is rooted in legal precedent. In Reynolds v. U.S., one of the first
decisions limiting religious freedom, the Supreme Court upheld a law
criminalizing polygamy because of the state’s compelling interest in
protection of the family unit.
[3] Additionally, courts are now willing to allow aggrieved citizens to sue their church if it misrepresented a secular fact.[4] For example, one court has held a religious organization liable for misrepresenting its use of donated funds.[5]
Similarly, the Catholic Church became engulfed in a flood of
tort law suits following revelations that some of its priests sexually
abused minors and that the church allowed known sex-offender priests
to continue their posts.[6]
......

I see the following quote as the real key to this new "tool" to expose the lies:

"The essay examines the State’s power to protect its citizens by allowing
followers and their families to pursue legal action against a religion when it misrepresents secular facts which harmed the followers."

If this isn't loaded, I don't know what is. How about a financial accounting
for the funds donated to the WWW (World-Wide Work)? How about an accounting
for not informing their believers about the molesters in their midst?
These are NOT doctrinal issues, they have to do with "secular facts".
I am not a law student, but what I am reading seems to intimate that they
may now be held liable for mis-information on a purely secular level -
their "cut
n paste" method of presenting their followers with half truths and statements
totally out of context to further their own points.

And there there is DUMBO -
wouldn't they love to get their hands on this info? I guess I'll send
it to them.....

Well, that having been said, I think this is BIG NEWS, but it is just the beginning.........slivers of doubt to fill many quivers have just been ordered up.

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Read "How Can Blood Save Your Life?"

by AndersonsInfo in

read the watchtower society's blood brochure here:.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/article_00.htm.

make a copy before wt removes it from their site.. barbara

wiegel

Just printed it out, thanks, Barbara.

They will have that thing off their site by the weekend - guaranteed!

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Service Meeting Week Starting December 12, 2005

by TheListener in

song 32.

10 min: local announcements.

selected announcements from our kingdom ministry.

wiegel

which song?

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Service Meeting Week Starting December 12, 2005

by TheListener in

song 32.

10 min: local announcements.

selected announcements from our kingdom ministry.

wiegel

gawd - I haven't seen one of those forever and it's still the SAME STINKING SCHEDULE!!!!! I think being a witness kills brain cells, I really do............sigh

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

wiegel

I'm with startingover, is this forum the only place that we can get the news? If so, will it be a new thread? If so, I assume it will be from Barbara, is there a thread title we can look for from her? In all my reading I can find nothing that answers these questions and it is all very unsettling.

thanks, trudy (of the "will it be announced before I die?" class)

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Together, we will make a difference!

by AndersonsInfo in

while we wait for the release of "big news" please consider this:.

severus's new thread suggesting "big news email clearing house" is excellent.

and here is what it support suggested on page 18 of the huge "big news" thread:.