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i was wondering if anyone here has read the 4th edition(2002) of crisis of conscience.i am very curious to know if there is a new chapter on the un scandal.i have the 3rd edition(1999) and there is nothing on that subject in it.. thank you,.
goldminer
Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone here has read the 4th edition(2002) of crisis of conscience.I am very curious to know if there is a new chapter on the UN scandal.I have the 3rd edition(1999) and there is nothing on that subject in it.
Thank you,
Goldminer
yes, we're early this weekend!
well, you know what they say, "the early bird catches the worm"?
and we need to take full advantage of the days which have been "cut short"!!
Sorry Ozzie,couldn't find one out of 15,not even other.I ususally throw them in the garbage a day after my wife brings them home.Sometimes I burn them to make sure nobody picks one up at the dump and ends up being an "experience" in the yearbook.So,the bottom line here,less unread magazines in the house and less work for me,a real blessing from above.
Ans yes,please reduce the WT to once a month!!!!!!
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my wife just got word that another couple in the local congregation will be divorcing.this will be the third one within 2 years,all couples in their 20's-30's,just like us here.. anyways,he committed adultery,got a std and she threw him out;the children are devastated.he was known for flirting with any attractive woman,married or not,christian or not.. what upsets me is that these people all went to the hall acting like righteous christians and pre-meditating their family-breaking adultery.meanwhile,i'm treated like shit because i don't attend all meetings here,they must have a wager on my wife and i.like i told the wife before<i'm not going anywhere and i value my family.
I enjoyed all your comments.I was 28 and my wife was 24 when we got married,both past that horny as hell-but I'm mature and not getting married for sex stage.We feel being a little older and a little wiser has helped us a lot.I've often told my wife if I had married the girl who really liked me when I was 18 I would definitely be divorced by now-YES,FOR SURE!!!
Of the 3 couples we used to associate with here,they are either divorced or getting divorced.Their age at time of marriage were;
him 19 her 17,him 23 her 18,him 22 her 18
One sister who got married at 18 said she married her husband because he was the only one who showed any interest in her!My god,like she'd been looking for 8 years or something and only one guy showed interest!If she got married at 18,she probably started courting this guy at her late 16's or early 17's.!!!!!!!
So yes it is a recipe for disaster;children marrying children.
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my wife just got word that another couple in the local congregation will be divorcing.this will be the third one within 2 years,all couples in their 20's-30's,just like us here.. anyways,he committed adultery,got a std and she threw him out;the children are devastated.he was known for flirting with any attractive woman,married or not,christian or not.. what upsets me is that these people all went to the hall acting like righteous christians and pre-meditating their family-breaking adultery.meanwhile,i'm treated like shit because i don't attend all meetings here,they must have a wager on my wife and i.like i told the wife before<i'm not going anywhere and i value my family.
My wife just got word that another couple in the local congregation will be divorcing.This will be the third one within 2 years,all couples in their 20's-30's,just like us here.
Anyways,he committed adultery,got a std and she threw him out;the children are devastated.He was known for flirting with any attractive woman,married or not,christian or not.
What upsets me is that these people all went to the hall acting like righteous christians and pre-meditating their family-breaking adultery.Meanwhile,I'm treated like shit because I don't attend all meetings here,they must have a wager on my wife and I.Like I told the wife before<i'm not going anywhere and I value my family.
" i was thinking today about hating the wts, and you know i really do, and for many reasons which i won't really get into here.. on this thought, i imagined the jwd (jesus' wacky discussion forum) website of 2000 years ago.
i'm sure many of jesus' new followers would start threads about having their hands cut off, being stoned and the secret backroom shenanigans of the pharisees.
all there is, is hate here!
The bible says Jesus left us a model to follow his footsteps closely.Well,Jesus stood up to the hypocrisy of the religious leaders of his day! Shouldn't we?
That's how I see it.
time to swallow the red pill.. right now both books remain unopened - sealed in the amazon.com box buried in a backpack in the trunk of my car.
i feel like i'm smuggling drugs or something.. i'll be starting coc tomorrow ... .
this is more of a vanity post than anything.
I purchased CoC in the fall of '99 when my wife went away to school.I then brought it to work to read on nightshift.I also used a highliter to highlight some parts I didn't want to forget.I have never wanted to become an active witness again since I've read the book.
I now wish I had pruchased ISOCF at the same time.I really want to read it now and it's proving a real challenge to get it without the wife finding out.
Anyways,you will definitely find CoC very enlightening.I've used a lot of Ray's reasoning with jw's to make them think,don't know if they're getting it though.
father of dead teen back in court and ready to fight
canwest news service in montreal gazette, wednesday, february 23, 2005
by grady semmens
Unfortunately nothing will bring his daughter back,but I admire his courage for taking on the WTS.
I hope he wins because if he doesn't,that's when the WTS will start talking about this case and how much power they have.A lot of canadians are familiar with this story and I'm sure it will be closely monitored.
are you trying to fade or otherwise distance yourself from the org, but have a spouse that is a loyal jw?
on various posts i read about some that are staying in the org, or having a difficult time because their spouse doesn't understand the change.
i'll begin...my wife doesn't understand how i can turn my back on all the good things i've gotten from the org.
Very interesting!I'm in the same boat as many guys here.I'm trying my best to just fade away but my wife is making it very hard.
She called one of her so-called jw friends last night who gave her a hard time because she doesn't attend all her meetings and is thinking of sending our little boy to a catholic school.Anyways,she was quite upset after and gave me a call at work.We ended up having a long chat about the WTS.
I told I love her and I'm not leaving her,I'm not looking to have an affair because I don't want to got to the meetings(that seems to be a jw mentality),I just want to be left alone.I told her about all her jw friends who have turned their backs on her and that she seems happier working,volunteering and doing group hobbies with "worldly people".
She says she just wants the man she married back,and I keep telling her,I'm still ME,I haven't changed.The religion makes me literally sick,mentally and emotionally and just drains me of happiness.
Then we talked of a lot of wrong things in the WTS.I brought up about love,she had to agree.We discussed 1975 and I told how wrong it was to mislead people in such a way the blame them when they were disappointed.I mentioned how some thruths change(1914 generation)and it's ok for the WTS to do that,but if I change my mind I'm an apostate.We talked about a lot of other things and she could see my point.
The next day she didn't bring it up,she just wants to feel bad because she's not doing what she should be!!!!I'm hoping in time she'll open her eyes,I'm working hard on the love thing,or the lack of it in the org.
Hang in there buddy,we're in this together.
i noticed a few prefixes/suffixes/concepts keep popping up in people's nicknames on this site.
i wish i had all the subscriber names in a spreadsheet to play with it some more, but i just did a real cursory glance around and saw some interesting bits.
notice this:prefix to handlenumber of occurrencesfree (like in "freedomfrog")35rebel 5lost 12happy 17hate 0love 14. in additon, there were 4 variations of the phrase "had enough".
I work in a gold mine,thus goldminer.I didn't want to use my real,not just yet anyway.Isn't that terrible,having to hide our true identities for fear of serious family problems caused by people who don't even care about us?
how do you guys find the time to chat on this board all day?
I've got a good job in mining,good pay and lots of time off.Just because a person isn't a full-fledged jw,it doesn't automatically make him a lazy loser like the WTS would like to make people believe.
