1350 in attendance 5 kids baptised.
an astonishing growth of 0.3 percent.
the org charged $13,000 for the wonderful program!.
JWs have a price on their head. Apparently, it's $10
Yep, and here in Canada, where it takes 13 Canadians to equal 10 Americans, the price is about $13 (factor in the BOC exchange rate 1.334)
They take the attendance in the morning and meet with the elders at lunch break.
Suddenly, the "expenses" for the convention happen to work out, consistently, according to this formula.
E = AP where E is expenses, A is attendance and P is price per head.
with the intention of spending less time working and more time in f.s i saw this many times.
an ex c.o started a carpet cleaning business with the charter being spending less time working more time in f.s.
he has long since passed away and the company is now huge being the major player in flood resteration and employing 100's of people one of the owners i spoke to recently was sick due to using to many chemicals but carries on becouse he loves the money even though he's worth millions.
There's plenty bros here who started businesses for themselves. The two mitigating factors seem always to be;
1) Low Education/Employability
2) Desire to self-spiritualize. (Pioneer etc)
One bro here, he's an elder, does painting etc. But now the end is not here, yet his need for shelter and sustenance persists.
He complains often that he "can't do it anymore" and that he's old. I usually join in, suggesting he's going to be doing it in a wheelchair with a long stick. We laugh together. He doesn't know that I am laughing at him, not with...
What a sucker for Watchtower.
Another brother here made a reno business, but the work seems to be full time LOL. So much for more spirituality. How's that 'working' song go.... 🎶
for those who became jws, were you fully aware of the societys cruel shunning policy whilst studying?
i absolutely had no idea such a policy existed until years later.
it really only hit home when reading the horrendous stories on the internet around 2002. .
The Scriptures say to "let him become to you as a man of the world".
This is for they who'd reject the moral principles that Christians of the time were expected to adhere to.
First, it wasn't to apply to they who would inquire why the leaders of the religion, behind our backs, joined the UN and betrayed us.
Second, JWs DO NOT treat anyone "as a man of the world" when DFd.
Which man of the world do we shun? We go to their doors and invite them to commune with us on Scripture. Even if they don't want it, for God's sake, we try to do an end run on their mind and get them to talk Scripture.
"I'm not interested", they say. We say "but why" and refuse to leave. No shunning there.
But dubs that ask "how it is that we can take fractions of blood donated by apostates of Christendom but we can't donate blood ourselves?" .. these, our brothers, WE SHUN.
hypocrites.
so, it finally happened.
the first time i have been called out for being an apostate.
it started out innocently enough: my family and i were watching a tv show.
Just politely inquire "How's your ministry progressing these days, any success in talking to someone who has listened to the news or read the story of Jehovah's Witnesses covering up pedophila?"
Or ask "Has anyone at the doors asked you about the letter Watchtower wrote when they disassociated themselves after their secret affiliation with the UN?"
i heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.
years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..
I went on a shepherding call with this one older elder ("R") a few years back. He was intent on getting a 'sit down' with this one older couple who hadn't been at the hall in quite a while.
We went to their house and "R" banged on the door (neurotic) till the old man came down. The old man said quite begrudgingly...'oh yeah... your here so I guess you gotta come in'.
Up we went.
We sat down and R commenced. Yes, R was going to set all matters straight.
This is the interesting part.
R was trying to correct the old man's viewpoint and started to get off track. Before long, R was telling them about his own history, and how the Society said 'that the end should have been here long ago'.
R went on and on about how R worked for this big bottling company and R was offered to put money into a retirement package and how the company would meet his contributions. "But", as R went on, ..."'the end was so close' we were told and so I just spent all my money and put nothing away and now I am putting money away and I am old and I have to keep working until I die...."
The older, non attending couple stared at R as he ranted.
I thought to myself... 'R... what are you, some kind of freaking idiot?' ...'you're here to encourage them and you are giving them the very reasons for staying away from the KH.'
But, older couple is brain dead. They began back at the hall. There they all are since then, R and the older couple, sitting in their chairs chanting the Watchtower endsong.
They should make a tv series about the walking brain dead. JWs staggering down the street to the hall to feed. Their arms outstretched, their heads tilted back and to one side as their eyes are rolled over in their heads. And you can hear them moaning 'the slave, the slave'.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/.
over the course of about six decades, more than 1,000 members of the jehovah’s witnesses were accused of sexually abusing australian children, according to a new report.
victims were ordered to keep quiet.
Many have said that their motive in exposing the Watchtower is to force the Watchtower to change its policies on child sexual abuse.
I asservate that the Watchtower cannot exist except for the continuation of its current policy, that of secrecy and denial.
Jehovahs Witnesses cannot be "the same" as everyone else. They have spent more than a century trying to convince the world that they are above and superior to everyone else.
It cannot be such that JWs are allowed to reply "we are no worse" than other religions.
How does it happen that they can march from door to door saying, in effect, 'our religion is superior and all must join or die' and then exclaim "we are no worse"?
No. Let us leave off that pretense. As JWs we've spent already too much time masquerading around with a second face.
This is about killing Watchtower. Killing it dead.
in re "the last trump"bro.
h. b. rice, editor and publisher of the last trump, has been obliged by circumstances beyond his control to suspend its publication.
knowing that such a course was probable, we two months ago proposed to bro.
Old Goat20 hours agoThere's a biography and photograph of Hugh Brown Rice in Schulz and de Vienne's book, Separate Identity, Volume 1. http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/b-w-schulz/a-separate-identity-organizational-identity-among-readers-of-zions-watch-tower-1870-1887/paperback/product-21546337.html
Interesting. I may get the books.
I have been looking through my old Watch Tower bound volumes, very carefully though as they are old, old, old.
The story they tell... Mmmm Mmmm
if you look at the cover of the original 'the watch tower' it says;.
the watch tower .
and herald of christ's presence.
bennyk18 hours agoYou appear to be confused. CTR claimed since 1876 that the invisible parousia had begun Oktober 1874.
CTR made the claim on 02. Oktober that the Gentile Times had ended. (Yeah; he was still wrong...)
Hey Benn. I think you misread my post.
if you look at the cover of the original 'the watch tower' it says;.
the watch tower .
and herald of christ's presence.
If you look at the cover of the original 'The Watch Tower' it says;
THE WATCH TOWER
AND HERALD OF CHRIST'S PRESENCE
But why this?
On page 20 of the Watch Tower 1879 Vol 1, CTR explains.
"We think we have good solid reasons - not imaginations- not dreams not visions, but Bible evidences (known to the majority of our readers) that we are now "in the days of the Son;" that "the day of the Lord" has come, and Jesus, a spiritual body, is present, ... This is the signification of our subtitle "Herald of Christ's Presence."
So, the purpose of the subtitle was in fact, according to the first edition of The Watchtower, to convey to the minds of the readers, Russell's teaching that the "parousia" was already ongoing.
So, for that gas bag to enter the lunchroom in 1914 at Bethel, after his failed prophecy, and announce to everyone that Jesus had indeed come, only invisibly, was a pharisaical affront of immense magnitude.
That shitebag had been teaching that Jesus was already invisibly there for over 35 years and now he's going to.... what??? ....teach something new??? What?? Jesus came last night??? Holy cow... and now we see it was an invisible coming... STOP THE PRESSES
And what the hell of the last 35 years up till that, with the Watchtower bearing the title announcing that the invisible coming had been going for the last 35 years...
How would you have felt, to be sitting there, after a lifetime being taught that the invisible presence was ongoing since before 1879 and then to be told that it just happened last night.
Would you have had a WTH moment?
in re "the last trump"bro.
h. b. rice, editor and publisher of the last trump, has been obliged by circumstances beyond his control to suspend its publication.
knowing that such a course was probable, we two months ago proposed to bro.
IN RE "THE LAST TRUMP"
Bro. H. B. Rice, editor and publisher of The Last Trump, has been obliged by circumstances beyond his control to suspend its publication. Knowing that such a course was probable, we two months ago proposed to Bro. Rice that we would supply THE WATCH TOWER to his subscribers, instead of The Trump,... w1879 Vol 1, page 3
CT Russell with his 'Watchtower' moved in on The Trump 137 years ago. Will the modern day Watchtower follow suit?
