Posts by biblexaminer

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1917 - What REALLY happened?

by neat blue dog in

regarding what happened post russell in 1917, if you ask a jw, they'll say it was the fault of the ousted board members who were 'self willed'.

if you ask an ex-jw, they'll say it was a 'power grab' by rutherford.

the latest yearbook elaborates on the situation:.

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Neat blue doggie. If your research only goes as far as the latest spin in a washtower blatherification, then you are lost.

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Elders getting burnt up.

by biblexaminer in

the elders in this area are getting burned out.

i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.

they can't keep it straight.

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Imagine the JW camp and the whole story is a 'war front'. (Not too difficult when you consider Rutherford looked at it precisely that way and that's why he named congos "a company".)

The dubs are in the trenches and the elders are the officers.

The enemy advances toward our lines...

The elders either begin sobbing or run in the opposite direction.

...what leaders.

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Elders getting burnt up.

by biblexaminer in

the elders in this area are getting burned out.

i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.

they can't keep it straight.

The elders in this area are getting burned out. I have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, I clearly see it. They are getting 'used up'. They can't keep it straight. They have so many letters and rules and policies that they are getting confused and forgetting everything. They don't seem to know which end is up anymore.

I had one elder here issuing instructions as per a recent letter, and then later inquiring about the same policies that he himself was responsible for disseminating information about. He asked about it, after he himself did the groundwork a month ago, then tells me "it's the first I've heard about it"... whoa!

I was aghast.

Another elder couldn't do the closing prayer. He said "I'm not prepared... I have to prepare". Damn, I thought, the meeting is not even started and it's the closing prayer, and you can't freaking do it 'cause you're 'not prepared ' ... WTH.

The COBE is burnt. You can see him slowly losing it and his wife was telling other sisters about how he is burnt.

Another elder was required do do something simple ...and openly, in front of the Congo, made a 'disgusted face' and refused. Same elder, emailed me about an issue, I emailed him back. In his next reply, he contradicted himself in the same response. I thought, 'bro... you gotta look better at your lies before you hit SEND'. WTH

Its a weekly thing. Everyday a new surprise. But all pointing to the same conclusion, elders getting burnt out. Too many balls to juggle.

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UK Kingdom Halls for sale

by darkspilver in

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friends

" and a mighty cry went out over all the land: "sell !

sell !

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Judge Rutherford

"LIQUIDATE LIQUIDATE LIQUIDATE... THIS IS THE GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM"

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1975 statements

by A Believer in

from jw org.

“six thousand years of human existence”.

in 1969 the watchtower magazine in czech began publishing a series of articles based on the book life everlasting—in freedom of the sons of god.

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"A believer" is a just here to cause trouble. He works for Satan.

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COUNTDOWN! - The Great London Bethel Sell-off!

by darkspilver in

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friends

following the initial publicity for this multi-million pound sale sell-off - as highlighted here and here some three months ago....the sale process has been progressing with tender dates announced:green court (residential apartments):best and final bids invited by monday 19th december 2016 at 5pmno.1 elstree way:expressions of interest and initial bids by friday 3rd february 2017 at 5pmibsa house:expressions of interest and initial bids by friday 3rd march 2017 at 5pmwatch tower house:expressions of interest and initial bids by friday 31st march 2017 at 5pmconference centre & open field:expressions of interest and initial bids by friday 31st march 2017 at 5pmmanor point units 1 & 2:this property will be available for sale with vacant possession in early 2020buttermere court (residential apartments):bidding details to be announcedullswater court (residential apartments):bidding details to be announced.

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I have been convinced for some time that the mighty org is under liquidation, and the money is going to the pockets of the initial investors. The 3P (Third Party)

Now, I do not propose to know who 3P is. And I have no proof they exist. But I do believe they indeed exist and I can speculate on their identity. I can also speculate on the timing of the fire sale.

In the way of setting the stage for good speculation, ponder the timing of the child abuse scandal. One could ask "why now?" The answer, although speculation, would seem to be simple. In fact, the question could equally be "why NOT now?"

Those molested, were molested as children and those kids are growing up now. It's now that they are becoming aware of what has really happened to them and the gravity of their pain. And it is now that they are becoming emboldened to speak up.

I speculate that Zion's Watchtower found friends in suffering during WWII. Zionists.

I propose these Jews funded/invested in WTBTS because of the suffering based friendships born out of WWII and the desire to make money. I further speculate that the original generation prospered through their investment in WTBTS and that now they are dying off, their offspring taking the reins. These offspring feel no partnership as did their now deceased parents and they want to liquidate their investment. Possibly they see the 'handwriting on the wall' as the pedophile emerge from the dark corners into the light.

I could be blowing smoke up everyone'a ass. It would make for a hell of a movie though.

Where's Spielberg when you need him..?

(hey, isn't he a a Jew too)

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A better way to ask questions - Anybody remember "Amazing"?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

first of all, i wonder whatever happened to jim whitney (aka amazing).

when i first joined this forum, i remember being so impressed by the way he got his family out.

instead of knocking the organization head-on, he would ask questions that can't be answered during his family study, such as, "how would you answer someone if they said we were false prophets?

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My wife and I asked a pair of elders, at the service group, how we reconcile not taking blood with taking fractions of blood and not donating. These supposed pillars of the congregation began shaking out of fear. Not exaggerating.... literally shaking. They wanted to get out of there so fast...

You cannot help people who do not want to be helped.

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cleveland ohio CA results

by nowwhat? in

1350 in attendance 5 kids baptised.

an astonishing growth of 0.3 percent.

the org charged $13,000 for the wonderful program!.

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JWs have a price on their head. Apparently, it's $10

Yep, and here in Canada, where it takes 13 Canadians to equal 10 Americans, the price is about $13 (factor in the BOC exchange rate 1.334)

They take the attendance in the morning and meet with the elders at lunch break.

Suddenly, the "expenses" for the convention happen to work out, consistently, according to this formula.

E = AP where E is expenses, A is attendance and P is price per head.

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How many times did you see a JW start a business

by karter in

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with the intention of spending less time working and more time in f.s i saw this many times.

an ex c.o started a carpet cleaning business with the charter being spending less time working more time in f.s.

he has long since passed away and the company is now huge being the major player in flood resteration and employing 100's of people one of the owners i spoke to recently was sick due to using to many chemicals but carries on becouse he loves the money even though he's worth millions.

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There's plenty bros here who started businesses for themselves. The two mitigating factors seem always to be;

1) Low Education/Employability

2) Desire to self-spiritualize. (Pioneer etc)

One bro here, he's an elder, does painting etc. But now the end is not here, yet his need for shelter and sustenance persists.

He complains often that he "can't do it anymore" and that he's old. I usually join in, suggesting he's going to be doing it in a wheelchair with a long stick. We laugh together. He doesn't know that I am laughing at him, not with...

What a sucker for Watchtower.

Another brother here made a reno business, but the work seems to be full time LOL. So much for more spirituality. How's that 'working' song go.... 🎶

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Were you aware of the shunning policy when becoming a JW

by UnshackleTheChains in

for those who became jws, were you fully aware of the societys cruel shunning policy whilst studying?

i absolutely had no idea such a policy existed until years later.

it really only hit home when reading the horrendous stories on the internet around 2002. .

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The Scriptures say to "let him become to you as a man of the world".

This is for they who'd reject the moral principles that Christians of the time were expected to adhere to.

First, it wasn't to apply to they who would inquire why the leaders of the religion, behind our backs, joined the UN and betrayed us.

Second, JWs DO NOT treat anyone "as a man of the world" when DFd.

Which man of the world do we shun? We go to their doors and invite them to commune with us on Scripture. Even if they don't want it, for God's sake, we try to do an end run on their mind and get them to talk Scripture.

"I'm not interested", they say. We say "but why" and refuse to leave. No shunning there.

But dubs that ask "how it is that we can take fractions of blood donated by apostates of Christendom but we can't donate blood ourselves?" .. these, our brothers, WE SHUN.

hypocrites.