my husband and i amuse each other with recollections of the "spiritual" language, sometimes with tears of laughter.
we sometimes gasp at the thought we took all that stuff so seriously for nearly 40 and 33 years.
every meeting, we had to be there, listening to the demands for obedience, loyalty,and submission.
Hmm. The older I got the less I believed, and I can't really blame myself for being gullible as a small child. My main concern was always the truthfullness of Bible accounts. One by one different beliefs peeled off my psyche like layers of an onion, until now... Nothing.
I guess I'm mad at myself for taking the $50 my Grandma had just given me as a gift at ASSembly (age 12 or so) and pitching it in the contibution box to make Jehovah proud.
much said here recently re the world at large and how it views the us - not too favorably overall - however - must make this point - president bush has just announced his intention to have as secretary of state condoleeza rice - now for me that is amazing and a credit to the american system - she is from a poor, black american background, was rejected years ago in the south by the democrats - yet by hard work she has risen to the very top - cant see that happening in similar circumstances here in the uk - clearly one difference between us is that hard work can get rewarded in the us.
a further note - seeing president bush introduce her when announcing his intention to put her nomination forward, i for one was struck by his apparent absolute admiration for this lady, for once he had no smirk as she spoke, rather he looked on her with evident pride and respect.
not a fan of gw but must give him marks here for his positive discrimination in favor of talent regardless of background, ethnicity or whatever.
Yep, only in America can a poor black woman rise up to become a perjerous sycophantine mouthpiece to a lying, blood thirsty president who is a slave to corporate interests.
Okay, that was over the top. I take it back.
remember how the witnesses used to always say that even if they didn't meet anyone home, just being seen by traffic on the street was a witness?
as if the people driving by are saying to themselves, "wow, look at those servants of the true god, bringing the waters of life to my door.
if only i weren't so bull-headed, i might listen to them and attain a good relationship with my creator.
Yeah, that's such an "at-least-you-tried-your-best" platitude it's sad.
What about this: Have you ever been in a car with/as a Witness and scoffed at the Born-Again bumper stickers on the car in front of you? "How ignorant to think anyone would be swayed by that," right?
Then what about "dashboard witnessing," where a Dub will place volumes of Watchtower literature conspicuously about his/her vehicle? What a powerful, silent testimony to Jehovah's kingdom to parking lot pedestrians, indeed!
in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.
did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?
what happened to freewill?
As a child I found this story hard to explain. I knew that building something did not require so much communicationn by words as understanding of building procedures which are fairly universal.
Hehe, good point! All those Polish and Hispanic contractors can work together just fine. Those of you with experience in the home improvement and construction field know what I'm talking about!
my wife and i have not been to a meeting for well over a year.
we are not disfellowshipped, but would be if we admitted to the elders what we've been up to, mainly smoking.
we was both born and raised in the "truth".
Haha, lisa. That's really funny. I'll have to mark you down for Good Use of Illustartions in the Apostate Ministry School Guidebook.
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i am curious: any here believe that jesus could have been married to mary magdalene?
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One legend says that after Jesus died Mary & their kids hopped a ship to France and founded the Merovingian dynasty. In other words, French monarchs claimed to be direct descendents of Jesus Christ himself, not unlike pagan kings who claimed divine ancestry. Can you think of a better way to keep your divine right to rule once your subjects convert to Christianity?
I wouldn't discount the possiblity that he was married, but any assertion either way seems too rooted in speculation to make a definite statement.
in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.
did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?
what happened to freewill?
Oh, no! Suddenly I speak a different language than everyone else. Instead of learning a second language (too much work, you know), I think I'll find a few strangers who still speak the same as I and forsake my home and family and mount a trek to the other of the planet. Then, when we're far enough away from people who speak other languages, I'll forsake all the other aspects of my old Babylonian culture as well: dress, grooming habits, methods of writing, architecture, art, etc. Well, maybe I'll keep some remnants of "Babylonish" religion as well. Unless these beliefs coincide with Judaism, in which case I will corrupt them. Maybe I'll embellish details of the global flood that occured just a few generations ago to start out.
Oh, really! You know this story never made sense to me, not even as a little kid. I wouldn't be surprised if it was authored by the same person or group who wrote The first creation account and the Fall of Man. God is paranoid of mankind and determined to stunt their progress, first by making false death threats to keep humans from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad, second by throwing them out of Eden to keep them away from the Tree of Life, and finally by disrupting the building project to keep man from entering heaven itself. Also note Genesis 11:7:
Come now! Let us go down and there confuse their language that they may not listen to one another's language.Who is the "us?" It's the same "us" from Genesis 1:26 and 3:22; the plural "gods" from Genesis 1:1 who created the heavens and the earth. For some reason they always get omitted, and we hear that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
hey everybody
i found this site whilst looking for some other jw info.
it may have been posted before.
Sorry, but I'm not impressed.
Jehovah's Witness Belief ? | Bible Says | Scriptures |
Wow! Isn't it amazing how what the "Bible Says" is in complete agreement with the "Scriptures?"
| God's name is Jehovah | Bible says God's name is YHVH ( ): Pronunciation "Jehovah" was instituted by Christian scholars in 12th century |
So what? Jesus is a corrupted form of Yeshua, more accurately translated into English as Joshua. Funny how Christians never want to play the name game over that.
| Christ is God's Son and is inferior to him | Christ is God. He took on the form of man to come to earth. | *John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16, |
Good thing Jesus doesn't say in the "Scriptures" that "the Father is greater than I" in John 14:28.
Just another group of zealots preying on the weak using flawed arguments and proof-texting to support their agenda. Sound familiar?
now we come to the section "the god who promises these things?
on page 17 of the new brochure ("keep on the watch!").
"this name appears some 7,000 times in the bible in its original languages.".
Just an interesting quote from the same page (17):
The majority of manking honor gods of their own making. MIllions now before lifeless images. Others glorify human institutions, materialistic philosophies, or their own desires.
we had the c/o meeting this week and he confirmed on the platform that the watchtower is "experimenting" with television add's in the usa.
he also said that they are on 'community' television and are free.
anyone ever seen them?
Maybe they should try one with Claymation, like that old California Raisins commercial. Yeah, that would work!
