The local one is a recentl quick build, probably worth a lot more than the old one, which was in good condition but the bOrg likes to increase the value of its property portfolio so the mugs who had paid off the mortgage of the first KH were suckered in buying another one and taking out another mortgage on a new KH!
One can but wish it would collapse and disappear, but I suspect it may not for a while yet!
I think it would make an excellent bingo hall.....one day!
paragraph 15: "as we get nearer to the outbreak of the great tribulation, we may well receive some detailed instructions.
our safe journey through those troublesome days will depend on our keeping in step with other loyal servants of jehovah.
" this in the context of a wt discussing the israelites' exodus from egypt and how jehovah had them into a position where there seemed "no way out".
Fear, fear and yet more fear! What a fantastic way to keep JWs under control.
I was told by my mother that 'at anytime government agencies are going to turn against us, the only true religion.....you'll see!' I used to argue with her about this but now I just smile and say, 'Never mind. You can't help it!' Makes her very angry and sets her off telling me that we're all gonna die!
Yeah! Whatever!
How many times can you hear someone cry wolf till you just take no notice anymore!
the wts has sent a letter to all convention overseers expressing their increasing concern at sisters "directing brothers" at district conventions.. with immediate effect (ie for dc 2008), sisters are no longer to be used as volunteers in parking and security / watchman departments.
any sisters volunteering in other departments (eg toilet cleaning) must be subordinate & follow the direction of appointed brothers.
this move will put a huge burden on the dcs in my area - nearly half the volunteers for parking are sisters and there aren't enough volunteers as it is.
It is very easy for people to fall into and remain in an abusive relationship be it with a spouse, a boss, a religion...generally people are afraid of change and fear consequences.
Hardly surprising that women who are continually told that they are spiritually inferior to a man, be it husband, father , elder, brother, are brainwashed into accepting the tyranny that others would balk at.
I look at my mother, cousins (female) and see how abused they are by their male relatives in one way or another even if it is just that they are viewed as incapable of KH responsibilities, expected to respect anything with a penis as superior to themselves and it still makes me sad for them.
BUT, as I said in a earlier post, this post of dozy's has still made me laugh.....a lot!
Perhaps it will help to wake some JWs up from their nightmare. How many times you kick a sleep walking person in the head before they wake up to reality? This may be on of those very helpful 'kicks'!
i'm not sure if it was mentiopned.
but i think that we are talking about not just one call from each person, but we are talking about spending a good length of time calling repeatedly.
othrwise it just won't have much of an impact.
When I first found that the WT was a big Sham and a lie I was all for campaigning and mouthing how wrong they were. What a waste of time!
Having learnt my lesson I could only say to practicing, believing JWs (in the words of Monty Python and the Holy Grail) : 'I fart in your general direction!'
JWs WANT to believe that they are special! They WANT to believe the crap they believe. When they stop wanting that, I'll be ready to explain to any of them how to rebuild their lives but until then.....the above phrase applys and I recommend you do the same!
the wts has sent a letter to all convention overseers expressing their increasing concern at sisters "directing brothers" at district conventions.. with immediate effect (ie for dc 2008), sisters are no longer to be used as volunteers in parking and security / watchman departments.
any sisters volunteering in other departments (eg toilet cleaning) must be subordinate & follow the direction of appointed brothers.
this move will put a huge burden on the dcs in my area - nearly half the volunteers for parking are sisters and there aren't enough volunteers as it is.
Love it! Only the WT could come out with such a load of manure!
As to Belbab's point that 'they' might be afraid a sexual assault take place in the car park, and they be responsible for it, why don't they just ban women from the KH's full stop as sexual assaults have also taken place in Kingdom Halls!
Basically, they are legally responsible for all the tripe they spew, but call yourself a religion and you can spew as much tripe as you want and get away with it!
Great post, Dozy! It's certainly made me laugh and wonder what goes through the minds of JW women who continue to put up with such abuse!
i have been on jwd for three whole years today!!!
gosh has it been so long?.
gary .
Hi Gary!
Happy JWD Birthday to you!
Three years down the road, and we all know so much more than we ever did before just from stumbling on this web site!
Life is full of amazing and wonderful mysteries, and if it wasn't for JWD then perhaps you, Sirona, and many people on this board would not be as free and even as happy as we are today!
This is a Very Happy Birthday! Many congratulations!!!
Love to you and Sirona
Gill and family!!!!
i read about the high incidents of mental illness and psychiatric disorders among jehovah's witnesses and it .
started me thinking about why this is and how so.
then i made this list and realized how much a child's psyche.
Steve2 - Maybe the phrase should be 'The World NEEDS to be deceived!'
Watching the horrific news on what is taking place in Kenya a present and other parts of Africa, despite the fact that I personally do not need a religion to tell me to treat other people well, I came to the conclusion that perhaps some people have to have religion enforced on them because otherwise they would not understand why they should not treat other people badly.....they need more potentially serious consequences to their bad behaviour than just the law and prison.
So, despite the fact that I believe religion damages people and in particular a religion that controls all kinds of irrelevant behaviour in the way the WTBTS, maybe it is an 'evil' that the powers that be must encourage just to keep 'bad' people under control.
How many people 'find God' when they go to prison? A sobering thought isn't it. They equate religion with control and not just of themselves but of others so that they can rely on 'good behaviour' from other people and therfore not be fearful.
Since we know as a FACT that religious people are just as capable of rape, murder, stealing etc, religion and its enforcing of goodness on EVERYONE is the delusion but perhaps it is another threat that some people must have over them to make them behave or at least try to behave in any form resembling humanity.......a fear of the after life and a fear of ultimate consequences.
i read about the high incidents of mental illness and psychiatric disorders among jehovah's witnesses and it .
started me thinking about why this is and how so.
then i made this list and realized how much a child's psyche.
Hi Steve - And yet the need to speak regularly to an imaginary friend, especially in public and enforcing it upon others is very worrying - at least to me and my family!
My daughter goes to a Church of England School where recently praying has gone into over drive and not being uniform in behaviour during praying sessions ie head bowed, eyes closed, hands together, lip synching with leader in prayer is punished by having to sit in a room with the head and practice praying!
This smacks on lunacy to me and I have attempted to get my daughter into another school......with no chance of acceptance still due to the other local school being over subscribed.
I explain to her that the three times a day praying, sometimes four, at the start of lessons, at dinner time, at assembly and at the end of the days is extreme and to just pretend to go along with it and think about something else like holiday. She is old enough to understand and old enough to hate these praying sessions.
The people who enforce these prayers, in my opinion, have some form of mental illness / delusion! I cannot put it in any other way.
Religion, taken to this extreme and enforced in this manner is a 'mental illness' and I am trying to rescue my daughter from the 'mentally ill' teachers at least in a way that she can see through their behavious and be mentally free from the delusion they are trying to enforce upon her!
during the time of the israelites, non-israelites with no connection to the nation could have a relationship with jehovah; for example, job.. there also appears no lasting benefit to being an israelite, as all people will receive a resurrection.. the watchtower uses the israelites as evidence that jehovah needs an earthly organization.
however, the only real purpose of the israelite nation that i can see was it led to christ.
is the nation of isreal really an indication jehovah requires an earthly organization?.
The bizarre result of being an Israelite was that the only remnant of their history was some of their written works. Because these written works survived and because in them they claimed to be God's ONLY people, other people chose to believe this and to believe that their Messiah came and why, simply because it was written on old scrolls.
The Israelite nation were self recording of their abuses against peoples in their surrounding areas and the abuses against themselves. As with superstitious peoples of the SE Asia area after the Tsunami, they blamed their problems on God 'punishing them' for being bad. They accredited any 'blessings' they might have had to God blessing them.
But basically, while other peoples lived in cities with walls, and sewerage etc, they lived as superstitous backwards nomads who CLAIMED over and over again that everything they did that was BAD was ordered by God and everything that they did that was good was ordered by God! What supreme arrogance!
And so, while the Babylonians had sewers, the Israelites had to did a hole and poop outside their camps. Far from being hygienic, this led to the spreading of dangerous anaerobic bacteria! Not a very clever God!
There beliefs of being 'special' has led to their persecution throughout history, because basically not everyone likes arrogance and sadly these people suffered greatly.
It still amazes me that even today, Israel is starving and destroying the Palestinians, but no one is able to stop them, perhaps because of an ancient superstition that these are God's only people on Earth. What if they are? What if they're not? Who wants to risk their afterlife?
And yet, they continue to suffer and cause suffering themselves.
Any benefit to being and Israelite in the past, the present or even the future? I can't think of any!
the story was kept hushed up, much as in any 'abuse' case that goes on in the wt world but, jws don't like anything to make the wt society look bad.. one jw woman out on 'the misery', reversed into and dragged down the street another jw woman who then broke both arms, ribs, pelvis etc.
infact, she is lucky to still be alive.
this horror was not announced at any kh in the country and kept quiet.
BurgerTime - I think you completely missed my point.
I did not say the lady was run over on purpose and I did point out it was an accident.
The issue here was an remains the only issue, that it was kept very quiet so that even her closest friends from other congs knew nothing....absolutely NOTHING about it! For heavens sake, she was lucky to survive and may yet not do that!
That is all! Nothing else! No grand conspiracy from OZ! Just a caring community might have pointed out that Sister J had been knocked down and injured but instead.....news black out existed.
In the area of the UK we live in, congs tend to announce who is in hospital from other congs, sick, ill blah de blah!
