Dansk!! I'm glad you took the 'fractions' as a package!!
I'm sure that the JW story on blood transfusions is not over yet. Developments in the future will be fascinating to watch unfold!
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by Dansk inblood cell transfusions 'up risk' most transfusions are not given in life-threatening circumstancesred blood cell transfusions given to heart surgery patients could increase their risk of heart attack or stroke, research suggests.
the transfusions are designed to improve the delivery of oxygen to the body's tissues.
but researchers found patients who received a transfusion had a three-fold increase in complications linked to lack of oxygen.
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JWs WILL LOVE THIS NEWS!
by Dansk inblood cell transfusions 'up risk' most transfusions are not given in life-threatening circumstancesred blood cell transfusions given to heart surgery patients could increase their risk of heart attack or stroke, research suggests.
the transfusions are designed to improve the delivery of oxygen to the body's tissues.
but researchers found patients who received a transfusion had a three-fold increase in complications linked to lack of oxygen.
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Gill
Blood IS a relatively dangerous treatment!
Surgery is a relatively dangerous treatment!
Sometimes you have no choice! You take the treatment or you die!
JWs don't refuse blood transfusions (apparantly) because of the possible dangers but they claim because blood is sacred and represents life. How can this supposedly 'sacred' fluid be also diseased, dirty, dangerous, bad etc?
How can the 'crown' be more important than 'the Queen'?
No doubt at all Ian that you are right that many more JWs will die over this issue! They are clinging to 'eternal life', something that was never theirs to have or be given by a book company all along!
Husband and self were speaking about our relatives a week or so again. If they refuse blood, should they ever need it, we will NOT over ride their decisions. Some people want and need lies to survive and live and we can't take away their imaginary crutches even if it does allow them to fall flat on their faces.
Consequences of being a victim is being victimised and vice versa!
As for the blood transfusion risks with surgery, I believe this was realised quite a while ago. It is excellent that doctors are still researching blood and different treatments and their efficasy. I was also impressed that during surgery only 3% of patients needed blood transfusion because they were bleeding out. That is pretty impressive surgery!!
But one more thought. There is a lady who lives down the road from my son. She had a haemorrage while giving birth to her first child 6 months ago. Her life was saved with 10 pints of blood! This basically means the blood was coming OUT faster than it was going in!! If she was JW she would be dead.
Let the WT society argue that one and tell her she should be dead and her child should be motherless.
What counts is boiling this issue down to the nitty gritty!
As soon as a JW says they'd rather die than have a blood transfusion, (even though they are directed not to say that) you know you are dealing with a crazy cult!
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JWs WILL LOVE THIS NEWS!
by Dansk inblood cell transfusions 'up risk' most transfusions are not given in life-threatening circumstancesred blood cell transfusions given to heart surgery patients could increase their risk of heart attack or stroke, research suggests.
the transfusions are designed to improve the delivery of oxygen to the body's tissues.
but researchers found patients who received a transfusion had a three-fold increase in complications linked to lack of oxygen.
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Gill
I know what you mean, Ian!
But, there is still no alternative when a patient has severe trauma or severe bleeding and is bleeding to death!
So, they can enjoy that information as much as they like and until they are blue in the face, there are always going to be situations and emergencies that occur where NOTHING ELSE WILL DO!
Blood, like ALL other treatments will always carry risks. But when its a choice between a risk or just dying then the risk must be taken.
We have to remember also, that the reason JWs don't take blood is nothing to do with its risks.
They still believe in practising many other archaic beliefs of thousands of years ago, and they all equally make no sense.
Motive is everything in a debate such as the blood transfusion issue!
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Would YOU Like To Continue Having The Watchtower Summary???
by minimus inas you know, blondie took a hiatus due to illness and she is still not at 100%.
watchtower scans are needed now since they are not easily available.. would anyone be interested in helping here?.
is the watchtower summary, as blondie has developed it, still of interest here??
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Gill
I like the WT 'study'! I like to know what baloney all my extended family are taking into their heads on a Sunday as it gives me a clue to what is behind their bizarre and ever bizarrer behaviour!
I think if they all ceased to be dubbies my interest might wane, but since that is never likely to happen, they are all well and truly indoctrinated, I suppose my interest will continue.
Secretly, I fear their being pressured into doing something really stupid (not that they aren't doing something stupid now) but..I think you know what I mean and it does help to have an intelligent analysis especially since it appears that the Kool Aid editions are starting as they mean to go on. They are a little concerning to say the least!
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Red Lion Cong. burns to the ground; nothing left!
by WingCommander inthis was on our local news tonight: http://ydr.inyork.com/ci_7556263.
blaze burns windsor twp.
churchdaily record/sunday newsarticle last updated: 11/25/2007 04:33:59 pm est 4:33 pmnov 25, 2007 a fire destroyed a jehovah's witnesses church near red lion sunday morning.
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Gill
There seems to have been one hell of a lot of Kingdom Hall fires just lately!
Anyone got any statistics on this?
Are they burning them down themselves or is someone doing it 'for' them?
You don't hear about this many church fires! Smells fishy!
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Disfellowshipped without knowing
by faundy inis this allowed?
i am being ignored by my neighbours and have been gingerly waved to by an elder.
now i haven't heard anything from anyone but is it possible to be disfellowshipped without my knowing?
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Gill
Have you done something that JWs would DF you for?
It could be that they know you don't attend any more and consider you a spiritually dead individual and hence 'invisible' to themselves in their spiritually enhanced position as messengers of the only true religion on the planet. Having ones head up ones own arse in this way can tend to make you 'not see' your former friends and associates in some cases!
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How would you respond to the elders?
by jgnat inid like to help metaspy and others out on helping them overcome the manipulative language of the society.
when it happens, we have no time to come back with a snappy answer.
but maybe we can help in the future how the manipulative language is wrong, and how to clear the destructive fog (fear obligation guilt) in our heads.. do you think my retorts would help?
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Gill
Jgnat - Thank you! It seems that silence may well be the best course all round. JWs will judge and destroy a person as they see fit so what's the point in giving someone the equipment they need to do that to you?!
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How would you respond to the elders?
by jgnat inid like to help metaspy and others out on helping them overcome the manipulative language of the society.
when it happens, we have no time to come back with a snappy answer.
but maybe we can help in the future how the manipulative language is wrong, and how to clear the destructive fog (fear obligation guilt) in our heads.. do you think my retorts would help?
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Gill
OK if you're willing to say that 'I love Jehovah!'
But what if you think that Jehovah of the OT is a war mongering, psycopathic murdering character and there is no way you would wish to worship such an awful God. Even as a child I found the OT disturbing and 'Jehovah' NOT someone you would want to love......just avoid!
I personally believe that 'God', whoever he / she really is, is NOT the monstrosity described in the old Judaic / Christian history/ mythology book.
So, what do you say if they say 'You don't love Jehovah!' to someone like myself? The truth is, I never did, I only feared, as a child, the monster that the WT society painted God to be! MY answer at present to a JW who said that to me would be : 'Too right I don't love Jehovah!; But that would give them the ammunition to destroy the last of my relationships with family......which may not be such a tragedy anyway....but still...
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Amazing responses from a pioneer/missionary/elder re Child Abuse
by What-A-Coincidence inpioneer response: i agree with you that you will find child molesters in any religion, even ours.
and i did see the dateline show about 3 years ago about jw and how the elders in some halls handled it.
i did think the answers were lame on our part.
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Gill
If it is the parent's responsibility and the child's responsibility to go to the authorities, WHEN DID IT BECOME THE RESONSIBILITY OF THE WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY TO PAY GOOD MONEY, DONATED BY THEIR FOOLISH MEMBERS, TO PAY THE LEGAL COSTS AND PROTECT CHILD MOLESTERS FROM FURTHUR JUSTICE - case in point 'Paul Berry' I believe his name was?
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Confirmed! Watchtower Feb 15 08 brings the "generation" change
by observador infriends,.
i just confirmed the "generation" change from another forum in portuguese.
the following is the text in portuguese:.
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Gill
I had to think about this for a few minutes.
'The present generation of contemporaries.....' that could string it out forever, couldn't it!!????