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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Farkel said, "And you expect me to give your arguments on this thread any credibility when you didn't even know who started it?"
Me- Sleepy has yet to come back on his own thred to give more supporting arguments. Not knowing who started the thred about the topic has nothing to do with my credibility. And I was able to figure it out by myself thanks.
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Oh nevermind he is the one who started the thred.
Sleepy says, "I used to wonder how this could work."
Me - Does that mean you know how it works now?
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Farkel,Who is this person "Sleepy"?
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Farkel says, "It wasn't man, but God who created the organisms that cause diseases like AIDS, you dummy."
Me - True God made all organisms but he also set some guidelines on how to stay away from some sicknesses in the Bible. A sickness is caused by the immune system not being strong enough to destroy these diseases. Farkel's point is allmost like trying to blame a person from falling off a cliff. God created gravity why did he die from falling off?
Me again - Mankind made some of these nasty bugs. They just don't know how to combat them yet.
no elder will say you can not go to the authorities for this crime.. http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?date=20020605&category=jwandsociety1&artno=206050002&ref=ar
jgnat says, "The Elder you describe is guilty by inaction."
Me - Elders are at the Kingdom Hall to guide people and not there to make decisions for the person going to them for guidence. It is allways based on going to the Bible at that time. Then the person that wanted help can make up their own mind of what do do.
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Valis says, "If you guys could step away from the Jehovah business for a moment, we could have a good discussion, but I ask a logic question and you throw back faith answers...this will get us nowhere, so I'm going to refrain from this "debate" on free will."
Me - That is God's name why not use it? Jehovah is a God of logic since he created logic. The faith answers are the best kind. Valis has nothing else to add to the discorse on free will since he uses no logic but his own.
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Valis says, "BTW, JanH of the "kick apollogist ass" class said that and I doubt Bleep wants any part of that hammering..*L*"
Me - What "hammering" and who's "ass"?
And what is *L*?
My God has everything to do with "Could man have free will if God can see the future" discussion.
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Try to put the name of the person who said it next time.
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Valis says, "Seems to me that your god got into a pissing contest with an inferior creature, or so it would seem Satan was inferior, but maybe not."
Me - Do not forget my Jehovah God is Love, Wisdom, Justice and Power.
Since Jehovah (my God and creator of all living things) is justice, he would let mortal man try to rule. Look what mankind has done so far. Three world wars, crime, death, AIDS and other diseases, and the list goes on and on.
pomegranate says, "How then can Satan be guilty in his murder? He was, as you say, not guilty in the deaths of Adam & Eve."
Me - Satan said in the Bible that in the time Eve at of the fruit they would become like God knowing good and bad. He forgot to tell them that it would be disobeying Jehovah. He lied and become the father of the lie.
Valis says, "Even with all the variants in his game like free will, if the outcome is known, because the playbook/bible says so, it still results in self gratification for your god, not the benefit of every living human on the planet.."
Me - Justice is not a game and never will be. The rules of this game comes from Jehovah since he created all things. It does benefit mankind since the question of who has the right to rule will never happen again.
Valis says, "Like I said earlier..an excercise in futility on his part, and for me a glaring example of why the bible does not represent who or what god might be."
Me - God inspired the Bible. Why would Jehovah want no one to come to a knowledge of the author of the Bible and at least a basic understanding about the author.
Valis says, "The creator of the problem doesn't kill his creation till it kills someone he loves dearly, regardless what happens to all the innocent bystanders in the mean time."
Me - Jehovah never created a problem. He knows what mankind needs and mankind wanted the desires of the flesh. Jehovah also keeps an accurate record of the ones he loves dearly. That way the ones who are meek will reap the benefits from being good in his eyes.
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Saint says, "Most of us had swallowed that stuff in the past."
Me - What parts did you try to swallow?
Me says, "Because his universal sovereignty and his way of ruling had been brought into question."
Me - Brought to question by Satan the devil. Gods right to rule.
Valis says, "So Bleep's god is one who likes to play games."
Me - He is the creator and knows what mankind needs.
What did you mean by games? Any other word in the dictionary that can help you elaberate?
