Posts by rmt1

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Circuit assembly symposium: help those who have become inactive

by rosyray in

jw
friends

i just discovered that the circuit assembly my family is attending tomorrow contains a symposium entitled:.

help others to seek jehovah's righteousness: those who have become inactive.

i poked around a bit on here and didn't find any comments about this.

rmt1

To |discern| is to "stumble".

To |hand over all keys to your own cognition| is to "discern".

Let the reader use discernment.

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University Application Personal Statement dilemma - Should I mention my jw past?

by will-be-apostate in

jw
friends

i am applying to chemical engineering course in the uk through ucas (a lot of things changed since i've posted last time).. i have a lot of skills i developed while regular pioneering, like public speaking skills, ability to reason (even if it's bs), presentational skills etc.. i feel it would boost my personal statement a lot, but i'm also afraid they would say "this guy beleives in god, and loves science, he must be creationist.

away with him".. how could i mention that i gave interviews front of thousands of people and did voluntary work in my hometown without giving a bad impression?.

i don't want to go into details and start explaining myself that "however i don't beleive in god", or something like that.

rmt1

It sounds like you're in a position where the JW heritage is all the cards you have to play with. Now, you can say play your opponent not your hand and bluff with JW stuff. Do you have technical / computer work experience / hobbies? Can you apply as an 'undeclared major'? If you do that, you might take intro math, intro chemistry, intro engineering (open to non-Chem Engr students) and gain some insights and leverage into your formal application to the College of Engineering / Chemical Engineering.

If that's your picture, it would appear you have a lot of years to make mistakes and prevail against them. You can parlay that youth against the red pill, Your in-JW experience will not assist you in *matriculating into* *Chemical Engineering*. I say this as someone who carefully considered every interesting degree program that the U Arizona offered, and picking that one because I heard it was the hardest and made the most money after graduation. I was a JW, I had gotten out, I was owed some kind of ordinary, if belated, "worldly" existence, I wanted to get mine, I'd show them what I was made of, etc, etc. If I could go back to the moment I started questioning my ability to get through the math, my present self would tell my past self, "You are twenty-six years old. You CAN take the time to cover all the necessary bases for success."

And go talk to an academic advisor. This is what they're paid for. Don't spill the JW beans like to a confessor. No one frankly can give a rat's ass. It's 2014. That cult should be illegal. Just get their take on how while holding only a few cards.

If you get into a science and engineering program, the good news is: Your exiting-JW experience *might be able to help you in a degree if you were doing as the Boereans did, and used the scientific method, testing out to see if this or that bullshit, this or that theory, was true. Remember that you have many years, and several months spent carefully Now, maybe a year (yes, or two) can save decades, quarters of centuries, of financial angst.

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University Application Personal Statement dilemma - Should I mention my jw past?

by will-be-apostate in

jw
friends

i am applying to chemical engineering course in the uk through ucas (a lot of things changed since i've posted last time).. i have a lot of skills i developed while regular pioneering, like public speaking skills, ability to reason (even if it's bs), presentational skills etc.. i feel it would boost my personal statement a lot, but i'm also afraid they would say "this guy beleives in god, and loves science, he must be creationist.

away with him".. how could i mention that i gave interviews front of thousands of people and did voluntary work in my hometown without giving a bad impression?.

i don't want to go into details and start explaining myself that "however i don't beleive in god", or something like that.

rmt1

Here's my "any thought", worth less than a widow mite. I started in on a Chemical Engineering degree and discovered I did not have sufficient real math preparation, yet I wanted a degree as feasibly soon as possible to have a discriminator between my present then self and the former JW self I was trying to escape. So, I first fell back to an English degree. One of the talks by graduates said they started out at $60,000 (22 year old) and they basically got by with draconian discipline during the week, and party only, if ever, on the weekend. That, plus the axiom that Chemical Engineering is particularly difficult because of the trifecta, 'hard, boring and dangerous'.

So- succeeding in that degree is going to take terms like "tenacity", "persistence", "perseverance", "attention to detail", "clarity in communication", excellent technical writing, ability to follow safety procedures to the letter. Public speaking and public presentation comes up in every degree, so mention it in the tenor 'but, of course', and don't pretend like it's unusually significant. Too many non-JWs do too much volunteer work, as well, for it to mean anything special. Mention it as, 'but, of course'. Convert all JW word bombs (free advertising for them) into vanilla plain "church". You are now graduated from JW-land and entitled to voice the fact that it WAS a church.

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Why are alot of JW's Fascinated with Sci-Fi?

by NoMoreHustle in

i am still in & gradually fading.

i have always wondered why alot of jw's that i know are really into alot of sci-fi stuff like star wars, i robot, x-men stuff etc.

i mean they take it another level with this fantasy stuff.

rmt1

Adults fall over themselves to delineate how 14 year olds are know-it-alls that bear no cognitive merit or recognition, have no insight into anything, source no legitimate complaints or observations about the religious system and logic into which their parents have raised them, and can be answered with a pat assurance by an elder or two or three who just remind them to (what the &%&^% ever they say) and just (wait on whoever) or (whatever) (you can fill in all these ad libs). The role of a 14 year old is to shut the hell up about any inconsistencies they observe, and deceitful or concerning patterns they detect, and falsities they hear with their very own ears, and hypocrisies they see with their very own eyes. The role of a fourteen year old is to be told they don't know what the hell they're talking about when they read up on the latest -at the time- scientific journals about theories of parallel universes and many worlds and multiverse, which raise the spectre of multiple iterations of a deity-like-Jehovah-type for each and every of those parallel planes of existence. The science fiction section of the school library could not have been big enough to provide the salve to cover the open wound of life bleeding out, day in day out, from loss of opportunity to use one's mind, loss of opportunity to develop long term relationships with real humans of one's own age, loss of opportunity to travel the world as if it was here to be experienced, etc etc etc. Science fiction does all that for someone that cowers in the cult.

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The 7/14 APOSTATE study articles are preparing the rank and file for new light!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

i believe the last two wt studies in the 7/14 wt study articles were planned for this exact time and did not come about by happenstance... the jw cult is preparing the rank and file for some faith altering "new light" to be announced fairly soon, and these scare tactics will do just the trick.... the articles are preparing the rank and file to become apostataphobic, they have the rank and file in such a frenzy, even have them questioning themselves and their own motives for being in the borg!.

with paragraphs like:.

if you hear someone that has doubts or questions about the borg avoid them like the plague, and tell your local elders, but don't judge them!!!.

rmt1

""Still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings..." - notice this method of brainwashing, they call apostate teachings, 'unscriptual teachings'. It's interesting that all ex jw's, it's based on the WT teachings not scriptual teachings. Infact the WT is what publishes 'unscriptual teachings', so everybody should reject the WT as it's apostate with it's unscriptual teachings. However they have people spun and convinced that bringing out the unscriptual teachings of the WT, and studying the bible by itself is apostacy, somehow the WT has become the bible and the bible itself has become 'unscriptual'."

This reminds me of the book (Paradise?) with the illustration of the Early Church (Catholics?) burning a man for reading the Bible, with the Bible chained around his neck. Very visceral. This article's language is very threatening concerning reading your own copy of a book you paid for and using 'god-given' reasoning on those scriptures, whose general jist should be public domain if ever there was one.

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Do you think JWs know what apostates really are?

by KateWild in

my friend was slagging off one of my other friends saying they have been known to say apotate things.

she does apostate things herself without realising it.

she meant well because she fears the word apostate as i once did, but she openly says to me my jc was lacking in holy spirit.. she doesn't have a clue what apostacy really is she just wants me not to mix with ones who have been known said "apostate things".

rmt1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vvvPZd6_D8

Emmanuel Golstein, Two Minute's Hate

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Student Is Asked About "Hell" On An Exam. You've Gotta Read His Answer.

by Dis-Member in

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rmt1

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hell.htm

"Theological Thermodynamics"

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Do you think JWs know what apostates really are?

by KateWild in

my friend was slagging off one of my other friends saying they have been known to say apotate things.

she does apostate things herself without realising it.

she meant well because she fears the word apostate as i once did, but she openly says to me my jc was lacking in holy spirit.. she doesn't have a clue what apostacy really is she just wants me not to mix with ones who have been known said "apostate things".

rmt1

I had to go doing some fast googling on why real, non-biblical, non-JW, dogs eat their vomit. The reasons are evolutionary and credible. The wrinkled farts of course cannot possibly relinquish so inhumanely abusive an analogy, nor could they bother to search out the truth of such a behavior so strange to humans. Unfortunately, I didn't quickly locate a single perfect web resource with obvious and appropriate credentials that credibly resolves this question, so I have nothing to link. But I encourage googling this question.

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Sign this petition - Investigation On Jehovahs Witnesses Religious Policy That Violates Human Rights and Abuses Religious Freedom

by TJ Curioso in

launch an investigation on jehovahs witnesses religious policy that violates human rights and abuses religious freedom.

link.

rmt1

wearewatchingyouman, you sound like a statistical outlier, and while your example may be noteworthy it won't be representative. I only heard of one ex-JW that joined the Services out of many that got disfellowshiped, DA'ed, faded, etc.

My two degrees and 40 years do not equip me to understand how forcing or tabling an issue, however indeterminant the outcome, is a bad thing. If JWs are so stupid as to read the pain language of that statement, and then say, "Gee, I don't agree that this is the case at all as I shun my family member and forbid this other a transfusion and forbid this other an education commensurate with inflation", then, *How were you going to coax them out in the first place?

I admit I have never attempted to coax out a JW or play naive or be patient. My biological relatives are all under powerful senior elder thumbs and are beyond the event horizon.

I agree there is no inherent obligation to aid JWs to get out. The ecology of memes is red in tooth and claw. I do not believe in a divine power or any other higher calling that demands rescuing victims of a cult, but rather a heartless universe that couldn't care less how many are born in the cult and die in old age. I can lean left on some issues, and this one seems an appropriate issue to address by some kind of intervention, however minimal. It's not me who decides what degree of federal or big government involvement that is, but, here's a statement and it's plausible it might be seen at a level that triggers oversight, on this issue or some other issue.

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Sign this petition - Investigation On Jehovahs Witnesses Religious Policy That Violates Human Rights and Abuses Religious Freedom

by TJ Curioso in

launch an investigation on jehovahs witnesses religious policy that violates human rights and abuses religious freedom.

link.

rmt1

Wearewatchingyouman: by your logic human rights exist solely in the context of the threat of violence. Meaning, JWs have a basic human right to not be dragged physically to a meeting, dragged physically into a door-to-door sales and proselytizing effort, dragged physically to the gates of the city and banished from friends and family, etc. I agree that those are great human rights to have. It's fortunate for your logic that JWs do not threaten the violence of having their eyeballs picked out by vultures and flesh falling away. It's also fortunate for your logic that every single JW that ever existed grew up out in the world to a mature thinking ability, understood the difference between emotional coercion, emotional abuse, the threat of abandonment, even as minors, and the threat of violence, so that, on that one fine day they mistakenly found themselves, whoops, as a baptized JW, they were very clear headed about what constituted their basic human right to refuse to do this or that thing, which may not make sense to them, and the threat of violence.

May I have the honor of hearing how long, and from what age, you were in this "Just a stupid religion"?