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  WT is trying to scare off memorial partakers

  by cookiemaster in

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  i don't know how many of you still participate in the sunday wt study, but i unfortunately still do.

  even though i was asleep half of the time, i did notice something i thought i should share with the rest, in case you haven't noticed.

  a lot of the paragraphs were worded strongly against partaking and used clear language of intimidation and discouragement toward anyone thinking of partaking.

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  Someone should incorporate marijuana into the unleavened cakes, which is exactly what Jesus said to do in remembrance of him.
  
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  Is anything holy?

  by Half banana in

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  2. beliefs

  is anything holy?.

  i would maintain that holiness can only come from the attitude of people ascribing something as holy.

  holiness never comes from the "holy" object, spirit or humans described as being holy..

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  Recommend Carl Sagan's Contact, page 153, where he talks about the 'numinous'.
  
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  Standardized or United in Love ?

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  one of the main trigger points who brought me to decide to officially separate myself from the jw org.by very recenly sending my letter of dissociation was reached when i became fully aware that the jw.org is standardizing their flock with their repeated manipulations and new lights instead of uniting them with love.

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  and once fully standardized according to the jw.org standards it is very difficult for a jw to have normal and human contact with "worldly" not standardized people.. thanks for reading and take care..

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  Hm, interesting. The phrase "united in love" in the hands of the cult could be taken to mean a gaussian distribution of like-minded persons that cluster around some median appreciation of what Jehovah's organization is doing on earth. Or, maybe like-minded persons who cluster around the median pace of Jehovah's celestial chariot and do not lag behind it nor run ahead of it. Statistical outliers can be clipped (sigma clipping) or disfellowshipped to preserve the narrative fiction / fictional narrative that Jehovah's people occupy the central two standard deviations and are therefore representative of what Jehovah wants.

  Relatedly, standardization of inputs, machinery and processes in an assembly line reduces overhead and improves economies of scale. A standardized cart-stander-by-person is replaceable, interchangeable, reprogrammable, re-excitable, re-distractable, re-deceivable, re-defraudable.
  
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  Jehovahs Witness Shunning & the Crusades

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  while discussing being mistreated by my own jw family last night with my wife, i wanted to try to make her think critically about what shunning really is, and at its root what how beneficial it is.

  earlier in the day i sent her non-apostate scholarly article on religious shunning being tantamount to psychological torture.

  and most witnesses don't think into much about why they do things, its more of a "this is the way we do it, don't over think it" process.

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  I find a little more clarity in the mechanism of shunning by configuring that WTS holds your family and circle of friends hostage, and will execute them (socially) if you make the wrong move. As far as analogies go, You cannot be dead to Them because You are permitted to speak back to Them, as if from the grave. But they are not permitted to speak back to you, if from the grave. There is no confirmation of afterlife, as it were, when your family and friends still in the cult are executed. The lever or moment arm that the WTS has over you is the power to prevent You from hearing Them. Not Them hearing You. Not much different from a Black Hole, out of which no information emerges. The threat they hold over you is to kick you out of that black hole, so that your family and friends are inaccessible and dead to you. If you are shunned, you are the survivor and they have executed all those you once loved. They did as they threatened for all those years - they killed your family. (I've had a lot of time to chew on how to think about this. ) YMMV
  
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  shunning is so unloveing so unmerciful that it if practiced bible says you deserve death romans 1;;32 and entire chap

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  2 the judgment is there stop shunning and jehovahs burning anger will turn back continue and you will fall into the judgment of romans chap 2 .

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  There's got to be a chart or table that lists the shunning, excommunication, banishment, etc practices in general feature against the sum total population of that particular religion. I cannot bet that the Catholic church with its version of excommunication can shine a candle to the general catastrophic mental, emotional, psychological and other damage that results from WTS disfellowshipping/disassociation practice. WTS is holding your entire family and circle of friends hostage at gun point. If you seek to jump the Berlin Wall, they execute them. At this primitive level, you do not even have the capacity for open-mindedness. They are 'not even wrong' because you are not even able -at this primitive level of coercion- to evaluate claims. They *could be "wrong" if you *could do independent research and then choose to stay out of a cost-benefit rationale. (Recalling the Terry 'not even wrong' thread. Wrong means testable. WTS prevents testing.)
  
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  The Walking Dead cocktail party reminds me of... me

  by undercover in

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  2. friends

  as fans of the walking dead know, our heros have found sanctuary (or have they) at alexandria, a seemingly normal safe zone from the walkers/rotters/etc.

  this past episode had rick's 'family' invited to a 'welcome to the community' cocktail party, hosted by deanna, the leader of the community.. having entered alexandria, we're starting to see the different levels of ptsd in our little group.

  rick, carol, and daryl trust no one.

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  Walking Dead maintains a zombie equation of state or zombie equilibrium function that is finely tuned to provide maximum plot exclamation for minimal plot relevance. The WTS tasks itself, like the writers and producers of some fantasy show, to always populate its grand stage with just the right amount of appropriately timed appearances of demons, satans, smurfs, leprechauns, worldly people, spiritual vampires, ad nauseum.
  
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  Memorial Question?

  by naazira in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the years, i've come to notice that some of the friends will not touch the plate with the bread or the cup of wine ,when the emblems are being passed around.

  i remember a row of 3 people told the brother to skip over them.

  every year i have noticed this behavior.

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  My automatic reaction was that they are wise to the fraud and are consciously or unconsciously telescoping their disinterest in sustaining the fraud. But they are not in position to apokalyptein their disillusionment, and must maintain a form of participation.
  
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  Effect of reading here.

  by New day in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  saomebody mentioned in a recent thread here i think that the more they read here the more they feel angry at the wt.

  personally, as an ex-elder (only resigned a few months ago) i feel that it is more like suddenly being on the outside looking in at a whole group of people playing parts.

  the zealous pioneers answering all the time.

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  One of the most fraudulent roles to fill is that males are intrinsically a spiritual head. Males are not necessarily spiritual, nor necessarily interested in the religion's forms, nor necessarily ambitious in the religion's hierarchy. Implicit in this role is that any Thatcher is a Jezebel. I.e., competent female leadership is a concept that falls under thought crime, and cannot, or is not permitted to be represented, in expressible language. And yet, the women are the large army (on this cotton picking plantation) and they must be galvanized and calibrated by some intermediate, token, symbolic female authority. And so you get the ridiculous and contemptible picture of a pimple pencil neck in shirt and tie being walked through his paces by portly wizened ancient semi-divine elderettes who know that one must use the correct tool in the correct way, but are forbidden to address a congregation in a formal audience setting.
  
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  Devouring the Forbidden Fruit - Higher Education

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i told my wife over the weekend i was going to go back school to finish my degree.

  she is 100% supportive of it!

  apparently she doesn't think higher education is so evil either.. since my former major was computer programming and that was in the late 1990's, i was told i'd have to retake a bunch of classes since times have changed.

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  The highest revenge and offense you can offer to that fuming den of pestilent vipers is to educate yourself. No crime of the Watchtower is greater in maximum sum collateral damage to all victims of the cult than the categorical sataninization of education.
  
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  What would happen if life was found elsewhere?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  see jws have said time and again jesus died once for all time... a quote from hebrews.

  okay rule out humn-like aliens what about animals plants and microbes... i once had a hot fight with an elder when i still believed that here was no reason to doubt alien animals etc.

  yet not based on any wt article witnesses reject this often.. lets suppose say in a month microbes are found on ceres (i doubt it will happen but let's roll with it) they are living as much as our cells are and reporduce... okay what would mother say in the magazines when millions of jehovah's witnesses demand to know why jehovah created microbes on a dwarf planet?.

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  http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/recantation.html