Nice points all. I really enjoyed the puns and humorous views.
I remembered this being said when I was younger (about 10) and other out of this world opinions (probably born in the mind of "Fred" Franz).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1961047#h=16:285-23:710. we may also safely conclude that angels, god’s spirit messengers, travel at tremendous speeds.
thus once when daniel began to pray, god dispatched an angel to him in answer to his prayer.
this angel, although coming from beyond the realms of outer space, reached daniel before he had concluded his prayer.—dan.
Nice points all. I really enjoyed the puns and humorous views.
I remembered this being said when I was younger (about 10) and other out of this world opinions (probably born in the mind of "Fred" Franz).
interesting to see how they home in doctrines that are impossible to defend, even solely from a bible point of view, and state them as facts that only satan would question.. no same sex marriages - really?.
don't celebrate christmas and birthdays - really?.
refuse a life-saving blood transfusion - really?
@eyeslice2
I posted a new topic on this recently. You might look at what others had to say.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1961047#h=16:285-23:710. we may also safely conclude that angels, god’s spirit messengers, travel at tremendous speeds.
thus once when daniel began to pray, god dispatched an angel to him in answer to his prayer.
this angel, although coming from beyond the realms of outer space, reached daniel before he had concluded his prayer.—dan.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1961047#h=16:285-23:710
We may also safely conclude that angels, God’s spirit messengers, travel at tremendous speeds. Thus once when Daniel began to pray, God dispatched an angel to him in answer to his prayer. This angel, although coming from beyond the realms of outer space, reached Daniel before he had concluded his prayer.—Dan. 9:21.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1966923?q=angels+travel&p=sen
The Bible speaks of an invisible realm in which dwell spirit persons, the angels, much more powerful than man, who are able to travel through interstellar space where there is no atmosphere such as we on earth live in and, of course, they are beyond the need of any air such as we breathe and are not under its influence or control.
(yes speculation by the WTS was out there in the 60's and before)
Yes, in 1976, the WTS said is was no longer safe to conclude that.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1976485?q=angels+travel&p=sen
However, there are some questions that are best left alone. Speculative inquiries merely “furnish questions for research rather than a dispensing of anything by God in connection with faith.” (1 Tim. 1:4) In building faith, what value is there in presenting elders or the Society with such problems as: How fast do angels travel, and how long does it take a spirit creature to travel from heaven to earth?
(I wonder what would happen if a jw would share that gem with another jw in their congregation?)
you don't need to understand complicated ways to go from 607bce to 1914ce.
you don't have to go back to the late 1700's to understand the founding of jehovah's witnesses on the back of william miller's teachings.
you just need to know that watchtower math and past doctrines along with changes in teachings are all based on lies.
"HARVEST" is a term which gives a general idea as to what work should be expected to transpire between the dates 1874 and 1914." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come p.135
"These, already examined, show that the close of 1874 marked the beginning, as the close of 1914 will mark the end, of this 40 years of harvest; ..." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come pp.149-150
SETTING UP THE EARTHLY GOVERNMENT ---- Not until the full end of Gentile Times (October, A.D. 1914) should we expect the earthly phase of God's Kingdom; for in giving a lease of dominion to the Gentiles until that date God made no mistake and his plans alter not. The earthly phase of the Kingdom of God when set up will be Israelitish; for such is God's engagement or covenant with Abraham and his natural seed. Even the chief favor, the spiritual Kingdom, was offered first to fleshly Israel, and would have been given to them if they had been ready at heart to receive it on the conditions attached to it, - to suffer with Christ and afterward to be glorified with him." Studies In the Scriptures - The Day of Vengeance pp.624,625The end of the harvest was to be followed by both the heavenly and earthly paradise.
"When this is fully accomplished, as it must be within this harvest period, then will follow the resurrection of the ancient worthies, then the kingdom of God, in both its heavenly and earthly phases, will be established and manifested to the world, - an event due at the close of this harvest period and time of trouble." Watchtower 1895 May 15 p.123-124 reprints 1816
i've had very little to do with jw's since the early 1990's.
however, i do try to stay a little informed on what they are up to as i have several close relatives who are devout.
i rely on this site to keep me updated.. over the weekend i learned that a couple of my relatives, a father and son, have decided that they are anointed and had some bread and wine at the last memorial.
You might check this timeline of changes regarding the faithful and discreet slave WTS doctrine:
love justice wickedness ((7-14-2019) may 2019 article comments from blondie.
(ask yourself if you were able to read this article).
does wt justice outweigh christian love?
@stillin,
The title of the OP is
Child Sexual Abuse Congregation Policies
So I guess you are not under discussion unless you are a child.
I hope you were just saying this tongue in cheek.
(I will say this, I do wonder if the process would be the same if an adult, male or female, were treated the same as a child, raped or subjected to unwanted and unasked for sexual touching).
blondie’s first thoughts review 8-18-19 (june 2019)(pages 8-13)(overturn reasoning).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019441?q=overturn&p=sen.
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
peacefulpete, don't worry about my being exposed again, I have a lifetime inoculation against their crap. Really! Doing this reminds me why I left. I was thoroughly out by the time I physically left. I used to do these comments while I was still attending (during the meeting!) I was combating the thoughts that were keeping me in. When I finally left, it was during a circuit assembly in the middle of the 3rd offensive talk. My husband followed me to the car, and I told him I was never going to a convention, assembly, meeting of any kind, funeral or visitation, baby/wedding shower, wedding or wedding reception where I would encounter jws and I have kept that promise. With magazines, I choose what I review either by topic of whether I am in the mood to jump into a shit pile. I just make sure I am protected completely in a hazmat suit. I realize that some jws and ex-jws get something good out of this, especially jws that still are attending for personal reasons (I don't sit in judgment having stayed too long at the dance myself).
I have received personal messages from off the board readers who after several years of reading them have made the final decision to leave, mentally and physically, many as a couple and/or a family. So it does have some good for my readers. So I continue, shorter reviews and selected topics. I just did 2 reviews on the WTS policies regarding child sexual abuse. That was a personal journey for me having seen up close what the WTS really did and believed, not the lies for the non-jw public in their publications.
I am glad that many ex-jws have persevered in the battle to end this, at personal pain and at times loss of family contact. These reviews do not compare at all to their efforts.
Thanks for your concern about me, pete. But as I say, I am permanent inoculated against WTS deceit.
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@Anders Anderson
My feelings exactly. The WTS lives in a lala world of their own making; they believe their own delusions. The Mennonites though evidently have jumped out of the pan and into the fire.
yesterday my congregation met for field service and the elder taking the lead did something not so smart: he brought up the child abuse situation and the recent news articles hitting local news across the country.
he said 'you can see that the persecution is really coming' and that we should be ready if someone complains about it at the door.
(funny how it's persecution when it's us and righteous judgment when it happens to the other churches.
NBD, exactly:
Funny how it's persecution when it's us and righteous judgment when it happens to the other churches.
the age of enlightenment is worth a good look.
(the rise of reason, science, art, philosophy replacing superstition and 'belief.
")for millennia emperors and popes enforced compliance in our world.
Reminds me of Eric Hoffer's comments:
“Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents … Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil.” ~ Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
https://reasonandmeaning.com/2017/09/04/summary-of-eric-hoffers-the-true-believer/
Those in possession of absolute power can not only prophesy and make their prophecies come true, but they can also lie and make their lies come true. Eric Hoffer
Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Eric Hoffer
Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/eric-hoffer-quotes