one of jws oldest beliefs, going back to the bible students, was quietly turned to old light in the latest wt.
in questions from readers, it explains that when satan told eve 'you certainly will not die', he wasn't starting the doctrine of the immortal soul, but that rather came later, after the flood..
"A talking snake, a magic piece of fruit from tree that could give you eternal life, a flaming sword spinning to guard the entrance to the magic tree!
Sounds like mythology to me!"
Actually how my husband reacts every time someone brings up a snake talking to Eve. As a perfect human it never occurred to her that none of the other snakes talked.
looking at the most recent wt the study article focuses on the jubilees.
the made a separate box in the article to highlight the math behind jubilees, and i'm wondering if they're trying to get people thinking and stir up the pot without actually making a false prophecy.
for instance: jubilees happened every 7 times 7 years.
@smiddy3
Correct, the WTS has many versions for the 50th Jubilee but always only in regards to the WTS organization and its existence and future. The WTS has quietly dropped the 7,000 year creative day by the wayside since 1987, revising any mentions of it after that to thousands of years. There was a trip up at one book study where some jws were using an older version of the study book, but the conductor only baptized 3 years before this study had a newer book and had never heard of the 7,000 creative day. So he called on a brother who said it was 7,000 years long but the conductor's book said thousands of years and corrected the older brother. My husband had to explain the previous interpretation before the conductor's baptism. The next midweek meeting, it was announced that members should get the newer copy of the book so everyone would be on the same page.
1987, last mention of 7,000 year creative day
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1987007#h=5:0-5:442
Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week. (Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long.
Life Created book (2016)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101998025#h=26:0-27:553
How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
Creation book
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101998025#h=26:0-27:553
The fact is, the Bible reveals that the creative “days,” or ages, encompass thousands of years.
looking at the most recent wt the study article focuses on the jubilees.
the made a separate box in the article to highlight the math behind jubilees, and i'm wondering if they're trying to get people thinking and stir up the pot without actually making a false prophecy.
for instance: jubilees happened every 7 times 7 years.
Jubilee used in the past:
Creation day 7,000 years long
7th creation day 7,000 years long
6,000 years of human history 1975
1,000 years left to run in 7th creative day from 1975
so the end comes in 1975 so that the 1,000 years after contain the years for Jesus Messianic rule from heaven
6 years then 1 year sabbath: 6-1,000 year days, then 1-1000 year Messianic kingdom
etc jws can't even figure out the 1914 chronology
one of jws oldest beliefs, going back to the bible students, was quietly turned to old light in the latest wt.
in questions from readers, it explains that when satan told eve 'you certainly will not die', he wasn't starting the doctrine of the immortal soul, but that rather came later, after the flood..
1959
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959321?q=immortal+soul+satan&p=par
It was the “wicked one,” Satan, who told mankind’s ancestors: “You positively will not die.”
...
This was the first lie, from the father of lies, including his later lie about the inherent immortality of the soul. (Gen. 3:4; John 8:44)
1990
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1990327?q=immortal+soul+satan&p=par
Who was it that led humans to believe that lie? Jesus identified him when he said to the religious leaders of his day: “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. . . . When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) Yes, it is Satan who developed the immortal-soul idea to turn people away from true worship. So one’s course of life and hope for the future are put on the wrong path by believing doctrines that grew out of the first lie recorded in the Bible, though at that time Eve no doubt understood the serpent to mean merely that she would not die at all in the flesh.
2019 (not QFR)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019363?q=immortal+soul+satan&p=par
Another satanic lie is that humans have an immortal soul. If that were true, everyone would live forever.
has anyone seen this video of a man out in field service asking a woman if he can speak to her 15 year old daughter by name?
it is rather disturbing.. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/mom-confronts-stranger-asking-to-see-her-daughter/983338603.
the link takes you directly to the news station.
Officially, the WTS says this:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202016324?q=parents+allow&p=par
If a child answers the door, we should ask to speak with his parents. This shows respect for their headship. (Pr 6:20) If the child invites us to come in, we should decline. If his parents are unavailable, we should return at another time.
If the child is older, perhaps in his mid-to-late teens, it would still be appropriate to ask for his parents. If they are not available, we might ask whether his parents let him choose his own reading material. If they do, we can offer him literature and perhaps direct him to jw.org.
When making a return visit on a youth who has shown interest, we should ask to meet his parents. This will allow us to explain our purpose in calling and show them the trustworthy and reliable advice found in the Bible for families. (Ps 119:86, 138) Our showing respect and consideration for the parents will be a good witness and may give us other opportunities to share the good news with the family.—1Pe 2:12
just thought i'd start a thread about favourite movies.
mine, in no particular order, are .... alien - a great visual film.
the chest-bursting scene is still great to watch, no matter how many times i've seen the movie.
How do I determine if a movie is my favorite?
Do I rewatch it many times over the years?
That's it folks. Some die into obscurity. Some are like a rough cut diamond that gets brighter and more sparkly each time I watch it; see things I missed the first time, things that still make me laugh, things that still make me cry, things that give me hope.
le lundi 16 juin 1913, le pasteur charles t. russell prononça un discours privé - réservé aux "intéressés" - au golden gate commandery hall de san francisco (1) (2).dans un premier temps, lors de cette conférence intitulée "le temple de dieu", le 2ème président de la société watch tower s’identifia directement à 6 reprises comme "maçons", "franc [mot en italique] maçon", "maçon libre et accepté", membre du "grand ordre de maçonnerie libre et acceptée", adepte d'une "maçonnerie moderne" et membre de "l'ordre de la maçonnerie libre et accepté".
", 14 juin 1913, p.12 / "the san francisco call.
", 15 juin 1913 / "the san francisco call.
@ Finkelstein
Thanks for the quote and the very good summary. It is hard to evaluate what someone says in Russell's life period with how people think and believe today. It was a different world pre-1914 and even a few years after.
i just finished looking through the circuit overseer manual, so here are some highlights.
first up, regarding circuit assemblies:.
if a brother is so extremely overweight that others would be distracted if he had a part on the program, good judgment would need to be used in deciding whether to give him an assignment.
@stan
Amazing how a few words in "english" take on a different meaning and still are valid.
i was on facebook and a person i have known for a long time posted how trump is mentally ill and is truly a psychopath.
a couple of her friends chimed in when i suggested that perhaps the fb friend was really the psychopath.
a couple of her friends began to defend her but i was surprised by how many people defended the president!
The GB of the WTS is no longer involved in the business end of the WTS. They have handed that over to non-anointed jw men at Bethel. Even the WTS realized that letting the GB handle business was not a good business model (and for certain legal sidesteps).
i just finished looking through the circuit overseer manual, so here are some highlights.
first up, regarding circuit assemblies:.
if a brother is so extremely overweight that others would be distracted if he had a part on the program, good judgment would need to be used in deciding whether to give him an assignment.
Well, now we see behind the curtain...though many of us have seen. I knew a brother who had the weight thing applied to him and the BOE slowly removed everything, making him just a figurehead or a cypher. Then he started losing weight and everyone was happy for him, he had cancer and would die 4 months later. Better dead than fat.
At the same time, Brother KissHisRing was heavier than this brother and nothing done to him.
