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  Babylon The Great / World Empire of False Religion, do JW`s even preach that anymore ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when was that first preached , with the book babylon the great has fallen gods kingdom rules ,the 1970`s ?

  where they claimed that false religion had a fall in 1919 and that it was continuing to that day .

  however today we see not babylon the great that is falling ,but the jehovah`s witnesses religion that are on the decline ,selling off branches , kingdom halls in one place after another throughout the earth .. and only a couple of years ago they were predicting they would be needing thousands of kingdom halls to be built for the expected influx of new worshippers ?

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  blondie

  Rub, I did say this

  (not as much as in the past, not easy to dumb down for current jws)

  It would take an oldtimer like me to remember the convoluted way they used to approach this. Even then I could see the eyes of many glaze over.

  
  
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  Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

  where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

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  blondie

  johnamos, can you remind me where Jesus actually uses the word "jehovah" (or equivalent proper name) in something he says.
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  Cain and the Kenites

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm at work, so i'll be brief.

  the kenites are mentioned many times in the ot, usually associated with a semi nomadic pastoral herding lifestyle and metal work, centered/originating in the south of israel but found throughout the land as resources required.

  they are regarded as a branch of midianites which is relevant for the introduction of yahweh to israel called the kenite hypothesis (another time).

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  blondie

  peacefulpete, in this case, this is a road I have not traveled much. But I am starting.

  The WTS has said that none of Cain's descendants survived the flood since only Noah and his immediate family lived through it (unless one of the wives was a descendant of Cain). I never knew why god did not execute Cain then, not because there was no written law against it, murder, is a written law necessary to know that was wrong? The WTS uses this excuse to give Judah a pass regarding having sex with a temple prostitute, and if a widower has sex with a woman, that doesn't count because he is not married and there is no law yet against that. (reference Joseph)

  Notice this statement by the WTS

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000198?q=moses+married+zipporah&p=par#h=7
  

  At the time of Dinah’s violation by Shechem the Hivite, the family of Jacob was urged by Hamor, Shechem’s father, to enter into marriage alliances with that tribe. Though Jacob’s sons did not follow through with their apparent acceptance, they did take the Hivite women and children captive after avenging Dinah’s honor. (Ge 34:1-11, 29) Judah later married a Canaanite woman (Ge 38:2), and Joseph’s wife was an Egyptian. (Ge 41:50) Moses married Zipporah, a Midianite, evidently called a “Cushite” at Numbers 12:1. (Ex 2:16, 21) These marriages, however, were contracted before the giving of the Law and hence could not be considered a violation of its requirements.
  

  Back to the real topic,

  The identity of the Kenites in the bible is something I have only read in passing.

  1) that Moses married into a Kenite? family, Zipporah, who was not an Israelite. Which based on the strong view against married outside your religious group, was a no-no in my mind.

  2) the confusing discussion of the WTS as to Zipporah's ancestry, Midian, Cush, Kenite, ???

  Another question that comes to mind, does the bible or other outside source, identify the Kenites as worshippers of the Israelite god (thus Zipporah) (per the WTS).

  ----In the end, I realize how little outside history sources have to clear up my questions, only add to them. It does teach me not to accept the WTS explanation of history, even history in the bible which is biased in the first place. The WTS counts on the fact that its members are not likely to be interested in going too far into other sources, even chastising them at times for feeling they need something more than "food from Jehovah's table." I don't find many ex-jws that seem to want to go farther either.

  I do enjoy your posts, giving me something to look further into. But I am just beginning and it will take some time for me to catch up.

  Thanks
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  Why Register (R) jw dot org?

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, on paragraph 9 of last's week wt study (number 30), i see the are showing the registered symbol next to jw.borg.

  why would you register a website in that circusntance?

  i've never seem that before.

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  blondie

  pixel, that is true, but when I drive by the KH near me, the first thing I see is the blue box logo, not that it is a website.

  Just me perhaps.
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  Just made for XJW's - Good Omens

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a 1990 novel, now a film, its just made for us disillusioned ex-christians.

  it takes the piss out of yhwh and his fake son, jesus'.

  the book: "the book is a comedy about the birth of the son of satan, the coming of the end times.

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  blondie

  Thanks for the tip. I will definitely check up on this.
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  Satan is abyssed for 1000 years and when released, immediately asks...

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ... "has brexit been sorted out yet?

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  blondie

  smiddy3, so funny. Nice to wake up to this morning.

  I need to see the WT/JW lawyers ,you can`t punish me twice on the same charge ,i`ve done my time.
  
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  Babylon The Great / World Empire of False Religion, do JW`s even preach that anymore ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when was that first preached , with the book babylon the great has fallen gods kingdom rules ,the 1970`s ?

  where they claimed that false religion had a fall in 1919 and that it was continuing to that day .

  however today we see not babylon the great that is falling ,but the jehovah`s witnesses religion that are on the decline ,selling off branches , kingdom halls in one place after another throughout the earth .. and only a couple of years ago they were predicting they would be needing thousands of kingdom halls to be built for the expected influx of new worshippers ?

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  blondie

  (not as much as in the past, not easy to dumb down for current jws)

  2016

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016046#h=8:0-8:527
  

  SPEAKING of the time in which we are living, Jehovah foretold: “In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: ‘We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.’” (Zech. 8:23) Like the figurative ten men, those who have an earthly hope have taken “firm hold of the robe of a Jew.” They are proud to associate with the spirit-anointed “Israel of God,” knowing that Jehovah is blessing his anointed ones.​—Gal. 6:16.

  If it is not possible to know with certainty the names of all spiritual Israelites on earth today, how can members of the other sheep “go with” them? Notice what the prophecy in Zechariah states concerning the figurative ten men. These ones would “take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: ‘We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.’” Although only one Jew is mentioned here, in both instances the pronoun “you” refers to more than one person. This spiritual Jew must, then, be a composite person, not just one individual! So it is not necessary to identify every spiritual Jew and then go with him or her. Rather, we need to identify these ones as a group and then support them as such. In no way do the Scriptures encourage us to follow an individual. Jesus is our Leader.​—Matt. 23:10.
  
  
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  Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

  where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

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  blondie

  In fact, to be more direct, Jesus said his followers would be witnesses of Jesus. And at Acts 11:26 his followers came to be called Christians by "divine providence." Thus Jesus' followers should rightly be called Christian witnesses of Jesus.

  Acts 1:8

  But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a and to the most distant part of the earth.

  Acts 11:26

  After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.
  
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  Yesterday's wt: No wonder jws don't get any results from their ministry

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all about teaching the bible and about god.

  what about preaching the gospel of jesus?

  there's only about a dozen scriptures that say christians are to bear witness about the christ that they ignore.

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  blondie

  Acts 1:8 (Jesus said this to his followers)

  But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”

  (Unless the WTS believes that Jesus and Jehovah are the same person)
  
  
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  I need sources for all the times JWs have expected Harmageddon

  by Etude in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i expect that 2 new jw guys in the area are going to revisit me.

  the left some brochures emphasizing how bad the world is and talking about the end.

  i need to break through with examples (wt articles, publication excerpts, etc) so that they can gag a bit.

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  blondie

  Note the WTS statements in 1969 regarding stillborn children where the WTS speculates:

  Furthermore, resurrection is for persons who have lived as individuals before Jehovah. Even a child who lives for only a short time after birth has existed as a separate person. But a miscarried fetus or stillborn child, though from a Biblical standpoint considered a “soul” while it was developing, never actually lived as a separate and distinct individual. So it would appear that such situations do not fall under the resurrection provision outlined in the Bible.—Acts 24:15.

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  4 For in just seven days, I will make it rain+ on the earth for 40 days and 40 nights,+ and I will wipe from the surface of the ground every living thing that I have made.”+

  ... 23 So He wiped every living thing from the surface of the earth, including man, animals, creeping animals, and the flying creatures of the sky. They were all wiped off the earth;+ only Noah and those with him in the ark survived.+

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  nwtsty Genesis 1:1-50:26 - Study Bible (including unborn babies, for the sins of their parents)

  Women here are destroyed, including pregnant women:

  They immediately moved away from the tents of Korʹah, Daʹthan, and A·biʹram, from every side, and Daʹthan and A·biʹram came out, taking their stand at the entrance of their tents, together with their wives, their sons, and their little children.

  Deut. 2:33

  Jehovah our God handed him over to us, so that we defeated him, his sons, and all his people.34 We captured all his cities at that time and devoted every city to destruction, including men, women, and children. We left no survivor.+

  Deut: 20:16

  Only of the cities of these peoples that your God Jehovah is giving you as your estate you shall not leave alive anything that breathes,