Some years ago, Martin Poetzinger gave the main talk at the Sunday afternoon district convention. I was able to talk to them because of my good use of the German language (I am German) and that I was born and grew up in the area of Dachau, after WW2 by some years. He and his wife were so different from GB today, from a different era. Yes, both of their camps were very bad; I researched this for a class assignment, and I learned a lot. A private conversation lends itself to more comments than those in the WT publications. The head rabbi of the local synagogue (who also had been in a camp and survived) joined the conversation and I just listened. As the WTS has traveled down into the pit of mediocrity, carefully crafted lies, and hiding what they are, it is hard to believe people like this existed.
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16The Watchtower—Study Edition | May 2023
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | may 2023. .
study article 21. how jehovah answers our prayers.
14 a sister named soo hing felt that jehovah helped her by means of her doctor.
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When A WT/JW Elder Can't Handle The Truth...Priceless!😂
by JW GoneBad ingive a listen to this 4 minute video where a jw elder stammers, stutters & fumbles then hangs-up!.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=edfphabzxhw.
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blondie
Just go to the source Steven Hassan's website. https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/
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The Watchtower—Study Edition | May 2023
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | may 2023. .
study article 21. how jehovah answers our prayers.
14 a sister named soo hing felt that jehovah helped her by means of her doctor.
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blondie
The WTS position on whose prayers the jw god hears, is never definitely stated in the publications. 1) Does god hear the prayers of non-jws? 2) Cornelius was a Gentile, the bible says his prayer was heard, in fact the account says that Peter was directed to go to Cornelius, based on that prayer and Peter resisted 3) he was directed to do so 3x before Peter went 3) Cornelius and his family were baptized before having holy spirit come down on them 4) does god hear the prayers of df'd jws? or not until the elders decide they are qualified 5) does god hear the prayers of people who identify as Christians but are not jws 6) I have a lot of questions, but the WTS does a dance around this every time. To me the WTS/GB/elders places themselves in this order of who hears prayers, God-Jesus-Governing Body-Elders. Who decides what is a proper prayer, certainly not men on earth. Well, just my questions from days gone by, and that still remain. (and the WTS/GB says they don't pray to Jesus only God but those prayers have to go through Jesus.!!!
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Official WT 800-page Shunning Manual ??
by Chevelle indoes anyone have a pdf copy of the 800-page book (or reference manual?
) "jehovah's witnesses and disfellowshipping"?.
https://youtu.be/fxpdodqlut8.
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blondie
Thanks, Atlantis. It is going to be 81 degrees 2 days from now then drop back to the low 60's. It is a crazy world.
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Official WT 800-page Shunning Manual ??
by Chevelle indoes anyone have a pdf copy of the 800-page book (or reference manual?
) "jehovah's witnesses and disfellowshipping"?.
https://youtu.be/fxpdodqlut8.
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blondie
800 pages! I think I will look at the youtube entry. Thanks Atlantis.
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JWs don't consider older WT as revelant
by enoughisenough ini am relating this happening.
i shared some thoughts from the 1989 question from readers concerning christ being mediator between god and man ( the wt spinning that he isn't ) and also the paragraph in that same article that plainly says: clearly, then the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind.
it is a carefully arranged legal provision involving god and anointed christians.
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blondie
The WTS is careful in print to say "paid clergy" which implies they have an unpaid clergy. A so-called legal approach quibbling about words by the WTS to CTA (plural of CYA). As to the mediator article in 1989, I always ask, is there some WT info that is more recent that adjusts or clarifies that teaching?
The current Insight book says about Mediator, considered up-to-date info for jws to use for research (also cited in the same place as the 1989 article: "Those for Whom Christ Is Mediator. The apostle Paul declares that there is “one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all”—for both Jews and Gentiles. (1Ti 2:5, 6) He mediates the new covenant between God and those taken into the new covenant, the congregation of spiritual Israel. (Heb 8:10-13; 12:24; Eph 5:25-27) Christ became Mediator in order that the ones called “might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance” (Heb 9:15); he assists, not the angels, but “Abraham’s seed.” (Heb 2:16) He assists those who are to be brought into the new covenant to be ‘adopted’ into Jehovah’s household of spiritual sons; these eventually will be in heaven as Christ’s brothers, becoming a part with him of the seed of Abraham. (Ro 8:15-17, 23-25; Ga 3:29) He has transmitted to them the promised holy spirit, with which spirit they are sealed and are given a token of what is to come, their heavenly inheritance. (2Co 5:5; Eph 1:13, 14) The total number of those who are finally and permanently sealed is revealed in Revelation 7:4-8 as 144,000." And in 2008, the WT says "What does Jesus’ role as Mediator involve? Well, Jehovah applies the value of Jesus’ blood to those being brought into the new covenant. In this way, Jehovah legally credits them with righteousness. (Rom. 3:24; Heb. 9:15) God can then take them into the new covenant with the prospect of their becoming heavenly king-priests! As their Mediator, Jesus assists them in maintaining a clean standing before God.—Heb. 2:16."
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A new Tony Morris thread: Question
by XBEHERE ini am not trying to hijack the already well commented on thread on this subject .
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5068920948523008/breaking-news-anthony-morris-iii-no-longer-serving-on-governing-body.
however i do have a question: for pimo's, pimq's, and those who still go to meetings in person fairly regularly... is anyone still talking about this?
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Journeyman, yes, here it is in print, if you don't understand what the WTS says, obey anyway. "At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." W 2013 11/15 p 20.
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July 2023 Study Watchtower - Great Tribulation is coming soooooooooooooon!
by BoogerMan inis this the "great tribulation" which jesus warned he would bring upon the corrupt christian congregations worldwide, (revelation 2:22; 7:14) or is it the same 1st century g.t.
which he said would never occur again?
(matthew 24:21).
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Very soon now, that day will be here, and Jehovah will destroy every part of Satan’s world.
2013, 2011, 2008, 2007...
Threshold: 2016 We stand at the threshold of the promised new world.
2015 Now in the final part of “the last days,” God’s servants are on the threshold of a righteous new world
he account in Numbers has many important lessons for God’s people today, who stand at the threshold of a far greater promised land.
2014 Standing as we are on the threshold of the new world, think of what Moses told the Israelites shortly before they entered the Promised Land:
2013 God’s servants today are on the threshold of a righteous new world. Do we trust in Jehovah to provide what we need in order to survive the coming “great tribulation”?
2006 We are now on the threshold of a new world promised by Jehovah God.
2005 AS WE stand on the threshold of the coming new system of things,
2001 However, Christians today stand at the threshold of a wonderful Promised Land—God’s righteous new world.
1997 Today, Jehovah’s people stand at the threshold of the righteous new world.
and 1973 In contrast to these faithful servants of old, we are on the very threshold of the new system that they ‘saw afar off.’
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A new Tony Morris thread: Question
by XBEHERE ini am not trying to hijack the already well commented on thread on this subject .
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5068920948523008/breaking-news-anthony-morris-iii-no-longer-serving-on-governing-body.
however i do have a question: for pimo's, pimq's, and those who still go to meetings in person fairly regularly... is anyone still talking about this?
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blondie
road to nowhere, I have seen announcements online jw.org saying some higher up jw has died. People were in the dark in 1981 when Ray Franz was announced by the WTS Kingdom Ministry that he was no longer a member of the Bethel Family. Pre-1981 only 2 references to Ray Franz "Finally, the new annex was completed, and on Saturday, May 13, 1978, Brother Raymond Franz of the Governing Body gave the dedication talk in French." (repeated 1 other place). I certainly had no clue and I knew several people at Bethel. Later 2 of them went home because the wife was pregnant, and privately they told me what they knew but told me not to tell anyone or they would get in trouble. From the August 1980 Kingdom Ministry p 2."This is a notification that Raymond Victor Franz is no longer a member of the Governing Body and of the Brooklyn Bethel family as of May 22, 1980.
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JWs Using the system
by XBEHERE ini have it on good authority from a friend living near warwick that many bethelites filed for covid-19 economic relief from the us govt.
he said that one bethelite actually told him that they were being instructed to file some sort of income, not sure of the logistics of that with the vow of poverty and all, but if they did that then they would qualify for economic relief.
basically getting thousands of dollars for free.
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blondie
WTS comments on this (reporting not supporting)"In some lands, governmental authorities provide pensions, welfare programs, and home-care attendants for senior citizens...For instance, the elders may be able to help out by assisting the parents to learn about and benefit from governmental or social programs locally. " WT 3/15/2014 p 24
"At times, material assistance is available through governmental or social programs, so relatives or others may help the needy one to apply for such assistance." Organized Book, p 128