Mikejw, something I learned about the WTS, in countries that make it illegal to hit/strike your child can be held legally accountable for doing that. The WTS then took their publications that said that idea, were edited in that country's language to something different. So, the WTS would change it because a secular government said it was illegal. "On the other hand, in an article adapted from the seventh edition of the popular book Baby and Child Care (1998), Dr. Benjamin Spock said: “Spanking teaches children that the larger, stronger person has the power to get his way, whether or not he is in the right.” WT 2006 11/1 p. 5 But then in the same article "Dr. James Dobson wrote in The Strong-Willed Child (1978): “Corporal punishment in the hands of a loving parent is a teaching tool by which harmful behavior is inhibited.” " So the WTS does not say one is right and one is wrong, but speaks out of both sides of their mouth. The WTS cherrypicks quotes and only gives snippets of quotes, sometimes leaving out pertinent info that does not support their view. (An example of how some jws apply this doctrine "https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/17/stephenbates "A devoutly religious couple from Chicago's South Side have been charged with murder after allegedly beating their daughter more than 160 times with a 2cm-thick length of electrical cable. A court heard yesterday that Larry and Constance Slack, both Jehovah's Witnesses, beat 11-year-old Laree - a punishment they believed was laid down in the Bible - after she was uncooperative during a search for her mother's jacket. The girl was tied to a metal futon frame, and at one point her five siblings, aged eight to 17, were told to hold her down. A towel was stuffed in her mouth to stifle her screams.
Posts by blondie
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10Japan Probe into Child Rearing Practices of JW's
by Sea Breeze inapparently in response to the probe of jw's in japan, the wt is seeking positive stories of jw's child-rearing practices:.
from reditt: .
re: urgent: request for assistance.
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Is Jesus God?
by Sea Breeze ini know that a lot of historical names have claimed to be a god.
but, jesus arguably claimed to be god.
scripture says he's the creator.
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blondie
No! When I left the WTS and started trying to find another "Christian" religion, I had 2 teachings that I would not accept 1) the Trinity and 2) burning forever in hellfire. None passed on both points as I was concerned. The LDS (Mormon) said they didn't believe in a trinity but a "binity" that Jesus and Jehovah were both god. Holy spirit was left out of it. And another said that Satan did not exist, although the bible clearly says that Jesus had a conversation with Satan. I stopped looking. Some ex-jws don't have the same parameters as I do, and some said that privately they would not support those teachings and were in it more for the social life. There are so many other markers that are easier for me to see, the lack of true love in congregations, hidden rocks in the water. People tend to overlook that too. So I have found very few people convincing about whether Jesus is or is not god. But lack of love, is more evident after time. When I see these conversations, I appreciate the research people, some bible scholars, have done on the subject. But is becomes very circular, really going nowhere, no one changing their original opinion. I do appreciate the time and research you have done.
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Stop Funding Watchtower in Canada!
by Vanderhoven7 inthis is worth a look!.
https://youtu.be/wxfczptd2n8?si=4jo-nuzmlvglbvkm.
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blondie
What is the status of this in Norway taking away WTS charitable status. https://cne.news/article/1837-jehovah-s-witnesses-norway-will-lose-state-support
https://cne.news/article/3755-norwegian-jehovah-s-witnesses-demand-subsidy-despite-their-loss-of-religious-status Update for 2023
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Are JWs forgetting Jesus altogether?
by KerryKing ina relative sent me yesterday's wt study article 46, how jehovah guarantees his promise of paradise.. it's been a long time since i read one of those articles but what really struck me about this one is that, considering it's discussing a fundamental jw belief, it only mentions jesus twice as an aside, and not at all as the central figure like the bible does.
it actually mentions satan far more in the same article!.
i don't remember this discrepancy from my time in the org 15 years ago.
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blondie
But, I think this is being discussed mainly from what the viewpoint is of jws, and how it does not fit with the picture painted of god in the old testament which they believe is from their god. Saying just Adam and Eve did not exist would not go far with jws.
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blondie
NotFormer, I can imagine a jw reporting another jw having a full Brazilian trying to explain how they know that, let alone try to get 2 people to report it. Yes, you are right elders will push jws to tell personal things to them.
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'Legal Developments and Human Rights' get nuked from the 'Newsroom' 💣
by was a new boy inwill it be resurrected after the norway trial?.
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guess which country/continent is missing?.
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blondie
Yes, the WTS has tried to make the reporting of their hiding child sexual abuse in their organization. Not much success. The WTS has had the policy not to directly respond to things such as this. "Here again, there is “a time to keep quiet and a time to speak.” The Watchtower once expressed it this way: “Whether we ignore false information in the media or defend the truth by appropriate means depends on the circumstances, the instigator
of the criticism, and his goal.” In some cases it may be best to ignore negative reports, thus not giving further publicity to the lies." (WT 1998, 12/1, p 18) -
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So what happens next...
by Farmer Jim1 inwith what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.
in my mind these are the results;.
1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.
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blondie
Women have been carrying the real load of the "preaching" work for years. Few male regular pioneers unless they were trying to avoid the draft back in the day, by seeming to be "ministers." After the draft ended, less male pioneers, and Bethel used to view a regular pioneer background of even only one year, made them more qualified to be "called" to Bethel. It was women would did the bulk of the door to door, return visits, and studying the bible with non-jws. Elders just cherrypicked the people who called in for a study, for themselves and their wives.
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JW-lite on Facebook
by compound complex ingreetings, fellow posters and friends:.
i have noticed that jws on fb post a great deal from their website.
it's ready-made witnessing material, namely, videos, links to reading materials, comments on the tv show, etc.
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blondie
so that you can enjoy an encouraging and upbuilding interchange with the brothers and sisters.
*** km 10/99 p. 7 ***
What a joke this was? If a jw tried to talk about spiritual things after the meeting, they would be viewed as backward socially. Not even at a break in an assembly/convention. I often heard elders talking about sports, their job, etc.
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Are JWs forgetting Jesus altogether?
by KerryKing ina relative sent me yesterday's wt study article 46, how jehovah guarantees his promise of paradise.. it's been a long time since i read one of those articles but what really struck me about this one is that, considering it's discussing a fundamental jw belief, it only mentions jesus twice as an aside, and not at all as the central figure like the bible does.
it actually mentions satan far more in the same article!.
i don't remember this discrepancy from my time in the org 15 years ago.
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blondie
Yes, I did a search to see how often the provided presentations from the WTS said much about Jesus and the Kingdom compared to using Jehovah. Also in their songbook. Jesus took a back seat.
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Is The GB Paranoid? And Should They Be?
by NotFormer inthe gb seems to have a bunker mentality, that they are special, and that the world is out to get them, so they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment.
bottlegate proved that there is some danger outside of the rarified atmosphere of their echo chamber; you never know when a camera might be trained on you, or that someone might recognise you as being something more than plain old "joe citizen".
further, tm3's new address was quickly found and distributed, and (as i understand it) someone drove to his gated community to tell the security guard that tm3's "ass is grass".
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blondie
Rutherford was preparing for bunkers "Rutherford's book "Enemies in 1937 said America would become a fascist Catholic country and start Armagedon...so where do you hide the Bethel family?
Watch 82 8/15 p.10 "...for the safety of the Bethel family a place was built in South Lansing New York...it was never needed for that purpose...later transformed into a Missionary school..."
Watch 81 12/15 P.28 "Rutherford believed that intense persecution against the Witnesses may require them to leave headquarters...thus he built a building in upstate New York that could be used to house the Bethel family..."