Posts by blondie

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Incest - when did it become a bad thing??

by pandora in

jw
friends

in the beginning, if there were only two humans and they had kids, how did the kids have kids if not through incest?

my question is this.

when did that become unexceptable?

blondie

Current explanation of why close relatives could no longer marry by the time the Law was given:

"Reasoning from the Scriptures" page 253 Heading: Marriage

Why was brother-and-sister marriage not inappropriate at the beginning of mankind’s history? God created Adam and Eve perfect and purposed that all humankind descend from them. (Gen. 1:28; 3:20) Obviously some marrying of close relatives, especially within the first few generations, would occur. Even after sin made its appearance, there was relatively little danger of marked deformities in the children during early generations, because the human race was much closer to the perfection that had been enjoyed by Adam and Eve. This is attested to by the longevity of people then. (See Genesis 5:3-8; 25:7.) But about 2,500 years after Adam became a sinner, God prohibited incestuous marriage. This served to safeguard the offspring and it elevated the sexual morality of Jehovah’s servants above that of people around them who were then engaging in all manner of depraved practices.—See Leviticus 18:2-18.

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Reform....why?

by Deacon in

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friends

the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

blondie

Reforms are very rarely benign, Martin Luther, American Revolution, French Revolution, India's independence, women's suffrage movement, etc. I'm sure some will argue that the intent was peaceful at first or on the part of some, but in the end people were hurt and lives were lost.

I'm no history buff...does anyone know of any slow, benign reforms in any group that led to a better situation? Give me hope.

Even here at JWD, many people have differing opinions. It's by setting these opinions aside that some balance and communication is achieved. There is no discussion in the WTS...at least not below a certain level. Differing opinions are not allowed. If "reform" ever happens, it will be because there will be a power shift. Anyone here who ever served on an elder body knows what I mean...you must have a majority and the rest have to give in or be considered "not in unity with the body." Imagine all 90,000 plus elder bodies functioning that way, the COs and DOs varying on their opinions, and the different answers you can get depending on whether you ask Legal or the US Branch Office desk (formerly Service Desk). I have found it is the elders with the loudest voices and the most powerful friends that prevail.

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Blood = Organ Transplant Awake! '99

by waiting in

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friends

this was posted by jang at another forum, she had not seen it before either.. has this been questioned, talked about, etc?

i've not heard anything on it...... but then that's sometimes the case with me..

awake aug 22 1999 page 31 states: .

blondie

Has anyone currently attending asked an elder how we can use fractions of blood which means violating the edict on storing blood...brave you if you did? What was the explanation? I would think the frontline elder hasn't a clue even if they had thought about it. Has anyone asked a member of the Hospital Liaison Committee or the Hospital Information Services? Has anyone who no longer attends asked these questions when they were attending?

JWs don't "read" the magazines any more let alone the Bible. They just wait to be spoon fed from the platform, the assemblies, or from a friend who is probably one of the few that do actually read the publications. (The meetings are so bad because people don't pre-study...they just read the answer out of the publication, "the paragraph says," "the book says," "the magazine says")

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A Call To Deal With Apostates

by AlanF in

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friends

from the july 1, 2003 watchtower article "righteous requirements":.

.. the kingdom of god is the highest government anyone can serve.

how does jehovah issue the call to his people?

blondie

Is this what you call a koolaid moment?

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Welcome to hell

by Moxy in

jw
friends

a classic and delightfully irreverant skit from rowan atkinson (shame on you if you know him only as mr bean!

) which ill be serving up for a little while for your listening enjoyment.. it seems perfectly appropriate to this gang.. http://members.home.com/aghull/devil.mp3.

this skit always reminds me of how id wonder just what jehovah was going to do at armageddon to make sure 'all will know' just why theyre gettin the big brush-off.

blondie

..

44

Ritzville News /Deepthroat

by silentlambs in

tri-city herald.

by shirley wentworth.

ritzville - erica rodriguez and her mother, alejandra garza, broke down and cried when the verdict came in.. it took slightly less than four hours for a seven-man, five-woman adams county superior court jury to declare manuel beliz, 48, of othello guilty of two counts of first-degree child rape and two counts of first-degree child molestation.

blondie

Maybe she meant Barbara Grizutti Harrison.

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Anybody else had visions?

by philo in

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friends

when i was separating from my wife and leaving the jws, i had some visions.

for some strange reason, i decided not to eat for a day, then when i found my thinking clearer and my emotions mellower, i fasted for another two days.

so after the third day, i was walking down our street and i saw the houses burning after me, i felt this was an affirmation that marriage was decay and destruction, or wasteage.

blondie

Didn't you hear that the Bible says:

Matthew 17:9 ***
“Tell the vision to no one”

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Ritzville News /Deepthroat

by silentlambs in

tri-city herald.

by shirley wentworth.

ritzville - erica rodriguez and her mother, alejandra garza, broke down and cried when the verdict came in.. it took slightly less than four hours for a seven-man, five-woman adams county superior court jury to declare manuel beliz, 48, of othello guilty of two counts of first-degree child rape and two counts of first-degree child molestation.

blondie

[q]Is this the same woman who wrote the book (which I don't remember the name) which is over on Freeminds? If so, she's a strong group member to have. Fine writer.

waiting[/q]

Does anyone know the title of this book and how to get a copy? What is the name of the group she belongs to?

Thanks

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Incest - when did it become a bad thing??

by pandora in

jw
friends

in the beginning, if there were only two humans and they had kids, how did the kids have kids if not through incest?

my question is this.

when did that become unexceptable?

blondie

But Exodus was written long after Lot and his daughters were dust. There was no written law against incest until the nation of Israel was legally established with a covenant between them and God.

Abraham was married to his half-sister (Sarah).
*Reuben (Jacob's oldest) had relations with his father's concubine (which got him in big trouble because of headship not immorality)
Judah fathered a son with another of his son's betrothed (just like a wife legally).
Moses father (Amram) was married to his aunt (Jochebed).

*Only account where anyone was ever punished.

Death was the punishment under the law for incest.

Why allowed before? See Reasoning book explanation (pretty weak one):

*** rs 253 Marriage ***
Why was brother-and-sister marriage not inappropriate at the beginning of mankind’s history? God created Adam and Eve perfect and purposed that all humankind descend from them. (Gen. 1:28; 3:20) Obviously some marrying of close relatives, especially within the first few generations, would occur. Even after sin made its appearance, there was relatively little danger of marked deformities in the children during early generations, because the human race was much closer to the perfection that had been enjoyed by Adam and Eve. This is attested to by the longevity of people then. (See Genesis 5:3-8; 25:7.) But about 2,500 years after Adam became a sinner, God prohibited incestuous marriage. This served to safeguard the offspring and it elevated the sexual morality of Jehovah’s servants above that of people around them who were then engaging in all manner of depraved practices.—See Leviticus 18:2-18.

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For you JW's out there. What would you do if ....

by Brutus in

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friends

20 yrs have passed, now (2021) and armageddon still had not come.

what would you do or what would you think?.

just curious

blondie

Don't you know it's coming in 2034, 120 years after 1914, just like it was 120 years before Jehovah brought the flood.

NWT Genesis 6:3 ***
3 After that Jehovah said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.”

(just teasing)