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  At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

  what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

  is he or she an apostate to the faith?

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  blondie

  Notice that the WTS does use a weasel word "apparently." The WTS has disavowed that a similar "executional judgment was passed on Sodom and Gomorrah, flipping back and forth several times.

  WT 1965 3/15 p. 166

  Speaking of Noah’s day, 2 Peter 3:6, 7 says: “The world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word [of God] the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.” Apparently there is no hope of a resurrection for those dying in that executional flood.

  WT Sep 2022 p.16

  The third group comprises the goats, who will be destroyed at Armageddon. Their names are not in the book of life. Jesus says that they “will depart into everlasting cutting-off.” (Matt. 25:46) Under inspiration, Paul tells us that “these very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.” (2 Thess. 1:9; 2 Pet. 2:9) The same could be said of those who, down through time, have deliberately sinned against the holy spirit. They too receive everlasting destruction, not everlasting life. Clearly, they will not be resurrected. (Matt. 12:32; Mark 3:28, 29; Heb. 6:4-6) Let us now take a closer look at two groups of people who will be resurrected on earth.

  (the issue is here what is a “judgment period” as defined by the WTS.) What was the most recent statement about Sodom and Gomorrah and people dying there when fire rained down on them during Lot’s day)

  While the WTS has disavowed the people of Sodom not being resurrected for now, no where does the WTS say that the people who died in the flood will be resurrected. That is how to look at WT info, not just what they say, but what they don’t say.

  WT July 15 2005 p. 31

  Those who are judged unworthy of a resurrection are pitched into “Gehenna,” or “the lake of fire.” (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48; Revelation 20:14) Among these would be the first human pair, Adam and Eve, the betrayer Judas Iscariot, and certain ones who died when God executed judgment upon them, such as the people in Noah’s day and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah.a
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  Jehovah's witness cannot perform marriages in Norway

  by blondie in

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  https://cne.news/article/3409-norwegian-court-maintains-jehovah-s-witnesses-ban-on-sealing-marriage   .

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  blondie

  https://cne.news/article/3409-norwegian-court-maintains-jehovah-s-witnesses-ban-on-sealing-marriage
  
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  If You Can Remember When This Was Displayed in the KH - You Ain't No Spring Chicken!

  by mikronboy in

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  blondie

  When this was done, jws were given a quota of 10 hours per month minimum to meet. (Thus the carryover that potential elders/ms must put ten hours/month in. The WTS dropped the quota because jws would just do enough to meet the 10 hours, and then do other things with their time. The WTS decided that members should put in more time "if able" and stopped using that chart.
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  At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

  what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

  is he or she an apostate to the faith?

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  blondie

  The WTS teaches that minor children who cannot make decisions for themselves (which the would put babies in this category) are protected by the status of just one parent, that is if one parent is "faithful" to jah (=WTS) they will survive. The WTS notes that the minor children of the people who died at the flood died forever. They can quibble about this, but this what I have been told over the 60 years of my contact with the WTS. Babies with non-jw parents (both) will die forever too with their parents, even pregnant women. But the WTS will dance around an answer like that.
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  At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

  what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

  is he or she an apostate to the faith?

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  blondie

  "even thinking" I think the WTS "thinks" they and their representatives can "read minds," in print they admit they cannot. Of course if you speak your thoughts to someone or someones that can report you to the elders, that is different. I know the WTS thought they had verbal statements made to other jws who testified that (and could have lied to save their skin), that would have moved the WTS to use that. Ray Franz was not df'd and then left Bethel. That took place some time after when he was seen having dinner with a da'd jw. Interestingly enough, Ray's wife was also at that dinner but was not df'd or considered having da'd herself (straight from her and Ray to me in their kitchen.

  WTS written comments on "reading minds" or hears to be added in an edit shortly.

  WT March 2023 p. 30 Granted, Jesus could read hearts. We cannot. But we can make allowances for the imperfections of our brothers and sisters.

  WT August 2022 p. 31 Like Joseph, we leave the judging to Jehovah. For example, we do not presume to know what motivates our brothers and sisters to act as they do. We cannot read hearts; only “Jehovah examines the motives.”

  Come Be My Follower Chap. 4 p.39

  WT October 2021 p. 6 The elders cannot read hearts, so they must rely on outward evidence that their brother has had a complete change of viewpoint toward his sin

  WT 5/1/2001 p. 11 Yes, our Christian brothers and sisters can serve as “a strengthening aid” to us during life’s difficult moments and thus help us to preserve our joy. (Colossians 4:11) Of course, they cannot read our minds.

  WT also, can supply source if asked.

  Granted, Jesus could read hearts. We cannot. But we can make allowances for the imperfections of our brothers and sisters.
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  The G.B. are now going to be EQUAL with Christ in heaven!!!!

  by BoogerMan in

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  they are not just going to be "joint kings and priests," oh no, because the latest washtowel is sneakily implying that they will be "joint kings and high priests.

  october 2023 study watchtower p. 28, par.

  13 - "after jesus was resurrected, he entered the most holy of the spiritual temple, where all the anointed eventually join him.".

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  Good catch, one of the techniques of introducing a new idea, put it somewhere only attentive jws might see it. Then keep dropping "hints" and then a couple of years, drop the idea them but point back to previous statements and say it is not new.
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  If You Can Remember When This Was Displayed in the KH - You Ain't No Spring Chicken!

  by mikronboy in

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  blondie

  I do remember those, but it was discontinued because congregations were comparing themselves with other congregations as if it were a competition..
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  Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

  by SydBarrett in

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  the twickenham post made me think of this.

  i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

  along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

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  blondie

  No, I did like some of the food. I took notes commenting on what was fake and contrived (I took a lot of notes, used shorthand though).
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  Do You Remember This Speaker?

  by Atlantis in

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  do you remember this speaker?.

  https://imgbox.com/no37wjiy.

  how many people remember the old laurel race track where we had conventions back in the 60's?

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  blondie

  The assembly’s principal talk, “Will Serving God Solve Your Problems?” also dealt at considerable length with marital problems. (1976--Sacred Service District assembly)

  At a district assembly of Jehovah’s witnesses in Laurel, Maryland, an educated man acknowledged: “I
  
  
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  Only baptised JWs will make it?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  i think it was a john cedars video or someone else’s where the point was brought up that only baptised jws will be saved?

  then one talk about kids of baptised jws hope they will make it but even them don’t know.

  most jws probably think that some good people who are not baptised may make it through, but this is not official teaching?.

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  Only Jehovah’s Witnesses

  I think this says it clearly enough: "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

  But here

  What do people need to do to be symbolically marked for survival? (Ezekiel 9:4) They need to react favorably to the preaching work that is taking place, put on the Christian personality, dedicate themselves to Jehovah, and loyally support Christ’s brothers. Those who do these things will receive the mark of survival during the coming great tribulation.--Watchtower 2016 Questions from Readers p.17

  What is the mark? It is the evidence, as if displayed on their uncovered foreheads, that such sheep are dedicated, baptized disciples of Jesus Christ and that they have put on the Christlike new personality. These sheeplike ones become one flock with anointed Christians and assist them in their vital work of marking still others.​—Watchtower 2008 7/15 p.5

  In ancient times slaves were often marked on the forehead to be clearly identified. Distinctive marks on the forehead and elsewhere might also show that a person worshiped a certain deity. So, in our day, what is the distinctive, lifesaving mark that clearly identifies its bearers as true worshipers and slaves of Jehovah?-Watchtower 1987 4/15 p.11

  The mark” is the evidence that they are dedicated to Jehovah, baptized as disciples of Jesus, and involved in cultivating a Christlike personality.-Worship the Only True God book Chap. 13 p.120