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Jehovah and Pleiades

by James Brown in

does anyone remember seeing old watchtowers in their kingdom hall library before they destroyed them all, of the watchtower annoucing jehovah from pleiades kingdom.

i am 72 years old and i remeber seeing these old magazines somewhere..

SPACE TRAVEL *** Watchtower Nov 1 1920 pg 334 *** "Someone asked me the other day: Suppose you should be here in 1925 what would you do? I said, I believe I will be home in the Pleiades before then ." *** Reconciliation pg 14 *** "the Pleiades [constellation] is the place of the eternal throne of God."

And if we go back to the date which the Pyramid [‘The Great Pyramid of Jeezeh’ in Egypt (found just prior to the title page in the book cited) which this writer understands is the great pyramid at Giza just outside of Cairo] gives itself, and look for what that finger pointed to at midnight, we find a far sublimer indication. Science has at last discovered that the sun is not a dead center, with planets wheeling about it, but itself stationary. It is now ascertained that the sun also is in motion, carrying with it its splendid retinue of comets, planets, its satellites and theirs, around some other and vastly mightier center. Astronomers are not yet fully agreed as to what or where that center is. Some, however, believe that they have found the directon [sic] of it to be the Pleiades, and particularly Alcyone, the central one of the renowned Pleiadic stars. To the distinguished German astronomer, Prof. J. H. Maedler, belongs the honor of having made this discovery. Alcyone, then, as far as science has been able to perceive, would seem to be ‘the midnight throne’ in which the whole system of gravitation has its central seat, and from which the Almighty governs his universe. (more in the link below)

Thy Kingdom Come, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. III, 1891 (first edition), Chapter X, p. 327 [archive.org] (Bold is as in found copied quote; Make Sure Ministries’ library has the 400,000 edition, 1907, copyright 1891 with this exact quote; photocopies upon request)

https://www.makesureministries.com/jehovahs-throne-in-the-pleiades/

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ehovah lives in Pleiades star cluster galaxy...Star Trek anyone?

1927 "The face of the deep, of course, would be toward the Pleiades, which are claimed to be the habitation of Jehovah." (Creation; 1927; 2,175,000 ed.; p. 94)

1928 "The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens;..." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)

1928 "The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)

Place where WTS changes viewpoint on Pleiades (which implies they once did believe)

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200026081/0/1

Sorry no PDFS but at least these quotes can guide a person to a copy

https://web.archive.org/web/20060818161607/http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/god_s_throne_-_pleiades.html

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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

by FFGhost in

so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

the “door of the ark” is closed.

blondie

FF "Old light: Even though not every individual will receive a personal witness, those who are not active baptized JWs will be eternally killed at Armageddon anyway, “Something something community responsibility”." I have posted about this many times on JWN after careful research of WT publications. I even asked a long-time jw elder and CO, would everyone on earth get a personal witness. They were not sure until I showed them quotes over the years by the WTS. It was news to them. I realized that I wasn't the only one who did not glean that from the publications and had not even thought of that. Many jws thought and probably still do think that somehow the WTS will be able to reach every person, not mathematically possible though with some reasoning.

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God cannot lie

by psyco in

the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.

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so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.

blondie

I search on "free will" online showed to me there are many definitions of free will, even in religions. I have found that when someone articulates what "free will" it is their opinion and many times does not even agree among jws or the WTS. Am I surprised? No. It becomes a circular conversation. I believe that my actions do not occur in a vacuum, that my choices and actions affect all those around me, so I have to consider that.

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Did God know adam and eve would sin?

by gavindlt in

to all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..

blondie

I was told by LDS (known by some as Mormons) that Adam and Eve were given 2 conflicting laws, to be fruitful and multiply and then not be able to get that knowledge on how to procreate by eating the fruit. I have been told that their god never meant people to live forever on earth, it was only a testing ground of 2/3 of the angels in heaven. Each child LDS has opens the opportunity for that angel to be born in that child to be tested. Faithful, then back to heaven with rewards (that's another post) and the others to "hell." So in order to obey their god, they had to break one of those laws. Damned if they did, damned if they didn't.

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News Documentary: No Witnesses: Claims of abuse and denial in a religious sect

by Tahoe in

https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/video/c2842685-w5--no-witnesses?playlistid=1.3856158 .

investigative journalist avery haines.

blondie

With the WTS, the GB thinks they have control over what jws think in their organization...not so much, but many may be PIMOs.

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General Amnesty For Disfellowshipped

by NotFormer in

future gb: "please come back!

all is forgiven!".

would it work?

blondie

What has the WTS said in the past: "Furthermore, elders today do not have divine authority to forgive serious wrongdoing in the sense of pronouncing a serious sinner clean in the eyes of Jehovah. This kind of forgiveness has to be on the basis of the ransom sacrifice, and only Jehovah can forgive on that basis" (John 20:23 not basis for this). WT 96 4/15 p.29 Questions From Readers, but then the GB may not think this applies to them.

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Hotels for convention

by ElderBerry in

a department in bethel wants to try to make money from regional conventions by asking local hotels if they will give a special rate and a coupon code to give to jws.. .

they should just keep it simple and not be greedy for dishonest gain.. .

this year some convention sites the hotels said no thank you i think the jws are going to book with us anyway.

blondie

So what will they do if jws do go to the closer hotels? I have seen many elders and MS stay at hotels not "approved" by the WTS. What about jws whose employers gives employees money-saving hotel benefits. The comp rooms go to jws with "connections." The WTS is bleeding cash despite all their property value. Jws for years have been going to the "no-no" hotels, elders included (saying we have to be closer because of our "responsibilities" at the convention).

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Further education

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

i just saw on a video that there has been a change about further education.

here is a screenshot of a letter that went to all elders.

i am an elder but i don’t remember this one, perhaps it is only for some areas?.

blondie

I don't believe the WTS would ever do a blanket letter like this for all congregations. In the past, each BOE determined if going to a university/college would disqualify a baptized man from being an elder or ministerial servant. I have seen case-by-case situations with some specious reason why that person could go to college: e.g. one's non-jw father said he had to go to college and was paying for it. He had to do what his non-jw father said, although this man did not no live at home, and was not under his father's authority any more. That was a crock. Or if some jw man was able to regular pioneer at the same time, it was okay.

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Where’s the 2023 Service Report?

by slimboyfat in

what’s keeping them?

this has got to be the latest it’s ever been.

maybe it’s the last one they’ll ever publish too, after dropping reporting hours for publishers ….

blondie

I have never believed the stats the WTS gives. All I ever know were the numbers in the congregation I went to and the surrounding ones. Not much of a sample to judge by. I do know that many jw children are never baptized, may turn in turn as unbaptized publishers, but stop usually after they live home, escape. A few come back when they have children, still influenced by their children dying at Armageddon if at least one parent is a "good" jw, attending meetings. It seems that many young male jws are not "reaching out" for appointed positions, MS and elders, although staying in. I have contacts with jws still going saying that the average age of elders in the congregation is getting older and older. With the pandemic, many jws are seeing ways not to be counted. Jws now seem only have to report they did go out in the preaching/teaching work at least some, how will many of the other stats be counted. Are they going to stop having congregations give the WTS money based on the # of those at least doing that? Money is the most important thing to the WTS.

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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

by FFGhost in

so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

the “door of the ark” is closed.

blondie

Very good list, FFGhost!