Philippians 4: 8-9 (New World Translation) 8 Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever virtue there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is, continue considering these things. 9 The things that YOU learned as well as accepted and heard and saw in connection with me, practice these; and the God of peace will be with you. Watchtower/1980/Dec/15/p.-29/ • Does “sacred service” include everyday activities of life, such as caring for our families, maintaining good morals and the like? No. “Sacred service” applies to that which directly involves our worship of God. It includes formal and informal witnessing, sharing in worship at Kingdom Halls, caring for our meeting places, all activity related to providing Bibles and Bible literature, as well as sacrifices that we may make in encouraging and aiding our brothers, spiritually and materially, to keep active in Jehovah’s work.—8/15, pp. 30, 31. ------------------------------------------------------------- If Kingdom Halls are to be regarded as "sacred"---then why are they being bought and sold on Ebay? Is taking care of the Kingdom Hall, or going out in the ministry work today, more important or regarded "more sacred" in God's eyes than taking care of my sick mother or father? Does that extra hour spent out in the fileld ministry mean more to God or regarded "more sacred" than my "morals?" Doesn't the Ten Commandments "command" us to love our mother and our father? Where in the Ten Commandments are the words, "Kingdom Hall?"
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by Atlantis inphilippians 4: 8-9 (new world translation) 8 finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever virtue there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is, continue considering these things.
9 the things that you learned as well as accepted and heard and saw in connection with me, practice these; and the god of peace will be with you.
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Ripping Apart The Faithful & Discreet Slave Doctrine Slashes A Foundation
by minimus inin order to get to the core of the wts belief system, one must get to the foundation of all of its teachings.
that basis is the belief that the fds gives, from jehovah god, all the "spiritual food at the proper time".
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THE WATCH TOWER SOCIETY AS THE "FAITHFUL SLAVE"
Part I.
Jesus, in the closing days of his ministry, left parting words of encouragement for his disciples. He constantly urged them to "stay on the watch," to stay alert, to stay "awake." Clearly just as the crucial events which would lead up to the end of Jesus' life were about to come upon the apostles, we are reminded that Jesus' admonitions also has much weight for us today. Why? Well, that is because much of what Jesus instructed his disciples about coming, future events actually has it's major fulfillment upon us today. Yes, most of these prophecies have its major fulfillment in our day and time. Let's examine one of these prophecies that sheds light upon the future.At Luke 12:35-40 we find these words:
"Let your loins be girded and your lamps be burning and you yourselves be like men waiting for their master when he returns from the marriage, so that at his arriving and knocking they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on arriving finds watching! Truly I say to you, He will gird himself and make them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them. And if he arrives in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them thus, happy are they! But know this, that if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would have kept watching and not have let his house be broken into. You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely the Son of man is coming."
Peter, being deeply interested in what his master had to say on this subject, wanted to know whether Jesus' warning of constant vigilance and watchfulness applied specifically to (a) his faithful followers, or (b) those of the world in general. Therefore Peter asked the question in verse 41 of this same chapter:
"...Lord, are you saying this illustration to us or also to all?"
Rather than answer Peter's words directly, Jesus chose to do as he had done many times before — he chose to respond with a question, yes a parable even. Jesus said in answer to Peter's question as recorded Luke 12:42:
"Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time? Happy is that slave, if his master on arriving finds him doing so! I tell you truthfully, He will appoint him over all his belongings."
Yes, all Jehovah's Witnesses are quite familiar with this particular illustration — the "Faithful Slave" illustration. Also, the account mentioned at Matthew 24:45 makes an almost identical reference to the same "slave" being vested with authority by his master by saying:
"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings."
Therefore, who really is this particular "Faithful Slave" that has been placed "over" or "appointed over" the Lord's interests, his "household" or "domestics?" Well, before we address these questions, let us first review the teachings of the Watch Tower Society of Brooklyn, New York since, for over 100 years, this particular "corporation" has indeed claimed to be the fulfillment of the promised "Faithful Slave," acting in behalf of the Lord in managing his "household." Let's examine exactly what the Watch Tower Society teaches the "Faithful Slave" of our modern times is.
THE "FAITHFUL SLAVE" — ACCORDING TO THE WATCH TOWER SOCIETY
The Watch Tower Society has long taught that the "Faithful Slave" and/or "Faithful Steward" class are represented namely as the entire composite group or "remnant" of anointed Christians on earth, at any given time for the past 1900 years since Jesus. It is also taught that these particular individuals as such, represent the remaining members of the 144,000 spiritual Israelites of Revelation chapters 7 and 14. It is further taught that up until the year of 1919, this spiritual "anointed" slave class busied themselves in properly handling the Lord's "household" or family of "domestics" (anointed Christians themselves) and thus received the final promotion or `appointment over the Lord's Belongings' in the fateful year of 1919. These "belongings" prove themselves to be the "Great Crowd" of Christians who do not claim to have any heavenly aspirations, and are thus not in the "New Covenant," mediated by Christ Jesus at his death. And, as far as the designations go of "Faithful Slave" versus "Faithful Steward," the only difference between the designations was mentioned in the following quote from the Watchtower magazine. It states:"Jesus' remarks concerning this `Slave' are very much like those concerning the `faithful steward, the discreet one.' Plainly they apply to the same class, but the term `steward' is specific as to the type of work that the `Slave' does." (See Watchtower, 10/1/81, pg. 23, 18.)
Further, it has long been taught by the Watch Tower Society that these two prophecies of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42 were fulfilled when Jehovah and Jesus visited the "temple" class in 1918, found the anointed somewhat lacking and started a refining period that lasted from 1918 and ended in the spring of 1919 in fulfillment of Malachi chapter 3. (See Watchtower, 6/15/87, pp. 15-20) At this time (1919), the "Faithful Slave" or the "Faithful Steward" Class (anointed remnant on earth) was awarded a favorable judgment before Jehovah and received an "appointment" over the Lord's Belongings which proved to be:
(a)the privilege of preaching God's judgments to the nations and,
(b)an appointment over the influx of interested persons of the Great Crowd. — See Watchtower, 3/1/81, pg. 29, par. 3.Finally, it is argued that this "Faithful Steward" is actually a "juristic," "legal," "corporate" slave of sorts. Yes, the "slave" is really a corporation or business entity, that has been empowered by Jesus Christ himself, to do "legal" business for the Head of the congregation, and thus given "legal" recognition by the "law of the land." Let's notice this particular comment taken from the Watchtower magazine. It states:
"Reason, backed up by similar Scriptural examples, makes it clear that the `steward' pictures a class, a collective body, corresponding to a juristic person, a legal person like a corporation that is recognized by the law of the land." (See Watchtower 10/1/81, pg. 22, 11.)
Now, what do you think of that?
QUESTIONS TO PONDER ABOUT THAT "SLAVE"
1)However, is this truly the case? In other words, is it true that there has only been a grand total of 144,000 anointed faithful, dating from the 1st century congregation and the apostles all the way down to the 20th century?2)And is it also true that only a remnant of this special "anointed" class, some 8,000 or so, are actually alive today and are scattered among the 90,000 congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide?
3)Is it true that these remaining 8,000 members of the so-called "anointed remnant" actually form the composite body of what is known as the "Faithful Slave" or "Faithful Steward" of our times,
and as such, have been awarded the appointment over the Lord's entire household of "domestics" and "belongings" since the year of 1919?4)Finally, is it really true that Jesus Christ actually authorized a "corporate" slave to take over and oversee his congregational interests until his "return?"
The following information will help us see whether there is scriptural validity to these particular claims of the Corporate Headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses, known as the Watch Tower Society?
"GO THEREFORE AND MAKE DISCIPLES...BAPTIZING THEM"
Jesus left this important command for all Christians by saying:
"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, Look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things."
Most Jehovah's Witnesses are aware that the Watch Tower Society teaches that
(a) Jesus has been gathering only the anointed members of the congregation consisting of the 144,000 since the 1st century,
(b) the 1st century congregation was made up only of individuals who were spirit-begotten, spiritual Israelites, who were `heaven-bound' and thus, joint-heirs with Christ in his kingly inheritance,
(c) only a total 144,000 faithful Christians were selected to be a part of this group, and (d) the 144,000 of anointed christians were gathered under the direction of our Lord Jesus Christ, primarily until the year of 1935.
However, if that were so, it would mean that, for the past 1900 years since Jesus gave this command to:
"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you,"
that only 144,000 faithful disciples have been gathered up to this `certain' date of 1935. Therefore, one could ask the following questions:
Why are the Jehovah's Witnesses today, comprised of two main groups, namely the larger "Great Crowd" that have earthly aspirations, and the much smaller `heaven bound' group of some 8,000, the "anointed remnant?" Isn't it true that since the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not claim have the heavenly calling, that this in itself proves that Jesus must have been gathering first an "anointed" group of christians who have implanted within them the "heavenly hope" and later, since the year of 1935, Jesus has been gathering those who have "earthly" aspirations?" Yes, why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses have both groups within their midst?
Well, first of all, we need to remember the command Jesus gave his disciples at Matthew 28:19, 20. Do you have it in mind? Now, did Jesus really say:
"First, go and make for me 144,000 disciples of the people of the nations. And then, when you have reached the desired number, I will then begin to gather the Other Sheep?"
Is that what Jesus said to his disciples? No, he did not! But as we go back in time, that is precisely what the Watch Tower Society told the Jehovah's Witnesses to do, yes commanded them to do, in reference to fulfilling Jesus' words. Let us see how this has worked out.
THE GATHERING OF THE GREAT CROWD SINCE 1935???
The Watch Tower Society teaches us that Jesus, after having completed his gathering of that group of the 144,000 of so-called "anointed," would turn his attention to gathering the "Other Sheep" who conveniently began showing up in large numbers during the years 1931-1935 by Divine Providence. (See Watchtower 2/15/82 pg. 30, par. 14, 15; Watchtower 2/15/84 pp. 17-18, par. 10, 11; John 10:16.) The Watch Tower Society admits that they (the other sheep) had been on the earthly scene even before that date but they could not be scripturally identified. And so we ask the question:
"Why were there so few individuals, professing to be of the "Other Sheep" in association with the organization before the year of 1935?"
That is a very good question. There is a good reason for this situation, as we shall soon see. To properly answer this question, we need to go back in time to examine the beliefs and teachings of the Watch Tower Society. Prior to 1935, individuals interested in God's Word fell into three basic categories, as far as the Watch Tower Society was concerned.
1) First, of course, were the anointed who were dedicated and baptized as members of the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses (International Bible Students before 1931). These were said to eventually make up a Grand total of 144,000 selected from the 1st century down to 1935. This teaching is supposedly based upon Revelation chapters 7 and 14.
2) Next is the presumed secondary heavenly class (bridesmaids or attendants) who did not expect to be Kings and Priests in Heaven, but, nevertheless, would have the privilege of going to heaven.
3) And, finally, there were the third group who was thought to be "men of good will" who `did good' to Christ's brothers and thus looked forward to earthly life but DID NOT dedicate or get baptized and consequently become a part of the Christian congregation.
And again, why did this third group of individuals not get baptized? Was it because Jehovah's Spirit was not directing such individuals to follow in the footsteps of His son Jesus Christ and the first century congregation and get baptized before the year of 1935?
No. To the contrary, it was the Watch Tower Society themselves that thought it was not necessary for such individuals to dedicate their lives to Jehovah and get baptized. Yes, they did not think it was necessary for these ones to get baptized until the year 1934!
Notice this comment from the Watch Tower Society's own publications:
"However, there was then no issuing of a call to them [persons with earthly hope], there was no specialized effort or arrangement to gather them into one flock with the `anointed' remnant. It was first in the year 1934 that the statement was published that it was scripturally fitting for these `Other Sheep' (pictured by the faithful Jehonadab of ancient time) to dedicate themselves to Jehovah God and get baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit." (See Life Everlasting - In Freedom of the Sons of God, pg. 147, 52.)
Did they say "Scripturally fitting???"
Remember what Jesus said at Matthew 28:19: "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, BAPTIZING THEM . . ." There can be no question, no doubt, but that because of this mistaken viewpoint on the Watch Tower Society's part, problems, yes, serious problems developed. Problems, that even today, have not been fully straightened out. However, by returning to the scriptures, we can get Jehovah's viewpoint on this matter.
PUTTING THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS
John 6:44 says:
"No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him."
Yes, Jehovah's Spirit "draws" individuals to Himself. Therefore, when a person shows a sincere interest in God's Word and thus seeks to please Him in all things, that person is being `drawn' by Jehovah. But again, we notice the Watch Tower Society has a problem here. Remember, they said they did not think it was "scripturally fitting" to baptize these individuals that Jehovah was "drawing," right??? So, by their own admission, they, the Watch Tower Society, made
`no specialized effort or arrangement to gather them'
because these individuals did not claim to have any heavenly aspirations. Remember, the Watch Tower Society felt it was not "scripturally fitting" to baptize these individuals. They made no "arrangement" to baptize them as Jesus had COMMANDED! Clearly, they did not do what Jesus told them to do!
As Luke 6:46 says:
"Why, then, do you call me `Lord! Lord! but do not do the things I say?"
However, after the year of 1934, these individuals were baptized. Therefore, we can see, that if there was no effort made to gather them or baptize them — then one would not expect to have many of them among the fold who could say that they were baptized before the year 1935 — wouldn't you think? And that is why the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses world-wide is made up of individuals who have been baptized only since the year of 1935 and thus look forward to life upon this earth. Really, if one didn't know all the facts surrounding this situation, one might get the idea that Jesus was indeed gathering only the 144,000 up until the fateful year of 1935. But the truth about the matter shows that the Watch Tower Society actually created the situation we see today among Jehovah's Witnesses, this division of two distinct groups with different aspirations for life in the future. Think about it.
No wonder there weren't any noticeable clusters of individuals in the Christian congregation expressing a desire to live in an earthly paradise before the year of 1935! No wonder there was so much special interest on the part of these ones, after the year 1935, in living on a paradise earth! Yes, it was the Watch Tower Society's own mistakes that caused the whole situation! Now what do you think of that???
Therefore, this situation raises awkward questions for those who did get baptized before the year 1935 as to whether they really are of the anointed. Remember, EACH and EVERYONE of them was erroneously taught, yes point-blank told that they MUST be of the "anointed" class, since during the time of their learning of Jehovah, the "heavenly hope" was the only hope open to Christians. Therefore, these individuals who wanted to serve Jehovah and get baptized, were forced to say that he or she had "heavenly" aspirations. There can be no doubt that this particular teaching of the Watch Tower Society has certainly resulted in obvious confusion in the lives of individuals as to future life prospects. We have cited a couple of examples to prove this was the case. First, let's examine the following situation as recorded in the Watchtower magazine itself that was reported to have happened to a new convert in the year of 1913. We have quoted the key part of the experience below. The person telling the experience, in their words, reveals the true intensity of the situation for a new convert by saying:
"In 1913, when I was 17, I traveled to London for a sight-seeing vacation. Happily, this coincided with a visit by Brother Russell to an assembly held at the Kingsway Hall. There I expressed my desire to be baptized...I donned a long black gown and joined the other candidates for immersion at the London Tabernacle. I remember so well the words we sang as we came out of the water: `Buried with Christ and raised with him too, What is there left for me to do? Simply to cease from struggling and strife, Simply to walk in the newness of life.'
"Afterward, a brother approached me and said: `You must be the last one of the 144,000 to come in; you only have such a short time left to make your calling and election sure.' Such were the thoughts of many who viewed the approaching year, 1914, with great expectation." — See Watchtower, 9/1/88, pg. 20, par. 6.
Did you get it? Do you see the pressure that was put upon individuals that were newly converted back in those days, to say that they "must be of the 144,000." Do we see it?
Now, let us examine another experience that worked out with the exact opposite result. The following is another life experience, told in the person's own words about this situation in the year of 1930. The experience, as quoted from the Watchtower magazine is as follows. It states:
"When I was baptized in 1930, there was little understanding regarding those who would have everlasting life on earth. So both John and I partook of the emblems at Memorial time, as did everyone then. Even in 1935, when the "great crowd" of Revelation chapter 7 was identified as an earthly class of "sheep," our thinking was not altered. (Revelation 7:9, John 10:16) Then in 1952, the Watchtower on page 63 published a clarification of the distinction between the earthly hope and the heavenly hope. We came to realize that we did not have the hope of heavenly life, but that our hope was of life on a paradise earth." — See Watchtower 4/1/89 pg. 29 1.
Did you get it? Yes, these individuals did not have the "heavenly hope" at all. No, they were simply told that they must have the "heavenly hope," that's all. They were just doing what everybody else in the congregation was doing, namely, partaking of the emblems and thus making themselves a part of the 144,000 of "anointed" Christian followers of Christ. Actually, what choice did they have, back there in 1930? Therefore, for many years they continued partaking of the emblems, thinking that they were of the "anointed." Remember, they had no choice to express any different viewpoint of the matter during that time. No, none at all!
The natural consequences of this particular "teaching," culminated in 1925, when, believe it or not, the preposterous number of 90,434 individuals partook of the Lord's evening meal as members of the "anointed remnant!" That's right, a total of 90,434 individuals actually thought they were of the "anointed remnant." If that number was really genuine, then over two-thirds (2/3) of the 144,000 were alive in the year of 1925. How ridiculous! (See Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, pg. 110, 6.) Could there be something amiss here?
As in the examples cited above, there can be no doubt that many, yes many individuals within the confines of the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Halls worldwide, are still, very, very confused on this matter. Think about it. And too, no doubt many of these same "confused" individuals, are in the United States of America, since close to half of all professed anointed ones alive as the "remnant" on earth today, some 3,684 as of 1988, are reported to be living in the U.S.A.! (See Our Kingdom Ministry, 8/88, pg. 4.) We think you can agree with us that something has to be wrong with this present understanding of matters! These statistics, as presented above, actually do not seem reasonable to thinking christians. (Philippians 4:5) To clear up any confusion, we must be humble enough to let the Bible be the LAST WORD on such important teachings! Let us do precisely that.
ONLY 144,000 CHRISTIANS FAITHFUL SINCE JESUS???
To say that only 144,000 faithful Christians had reached their "goal" by the year 1935 is ridiculous even from an historical review of the facts at hand. For example, according to the Watch Tower Society's own publications, there were many, many individuals that apparently gave their lives for the cause of Christianity during the "ten persecutions" of Emperor's Nero's time. In fact, back in 1952, an interesting question was presented to the Watch Tower Society on this timely subject. The question and it's answer was published in the 1952 Watchtower magazine under the subheading: "Questions from readers." The following is an actual quote from the article. First the question:
"According to the article `Hated for His Name' in the September 1, 1951, Watchtower, hundreds of thousands of Christians died in the `ten persecutions' starting in Nero's time, 144,000 dying in Egypt alone during one of the persecutions. How can this be harmonized with the Scriptural limitation of 144,000 placed on the number being in Christ's body, and which position was the only one open to Christians during those centuries?"
An excellent question, wouldn't you say? And now, the answer. The Watch Tower Society responded by saying:
"The article did not class with any finality the individuals that died during these persecutions, but spoke of the results in a general way. Note that a key qualification was made in the case referred to in the question: `In the province of Egypt alone, 144,000 such professed Christians died by violence in the course of this persecution, in addition to another 700,000 who died as a result of fatigues encountered in banishment or under enforced public works.' The victims are identified as "professed Christians," not Christians in fact. Many of those persons might have been caught in the wave of persecution, but may never have actually preached the truth or followed in Jesus' footsteps, being only professed Christians. They knew the world they lived in was rotten and they were listening to the message of the Christians and willing to die for it even though not in line for the high calling in Christ Jesus. Many professed Christians today might be willing to die for their faith, but still not be Jesus' footstep followers and meeting the Scriptural requirements for such." — See Watchtower 1/15/52, pg. 62.
Did they say "professed Christians" that were DYING in the "ten persecutions" of Emperor Nero's time??? Yes, the Watch Tower Society said that there were some 144,000 individuals, willing to die for their belief, in Egypt alone during one of the persecutions! And, remember, that does not include another 700,000 "professed Christians" that died as a result of "fatigues encountered in banishment or under enforced public works." Now, we ask, were they "professed Christians" or were they true Christians? What would you say? Well, as you have just read, the Watch Tower Society says in the article that they were merely, "professed Christians" and not real Christians. No, they couldn't be because Jesus was merely interested in making only a total of 144,000 "anointed" disciples up to the year of 1935, right??? Isn't that what they want you to believe?
PONDER THIS:
Do you really think that someone would be willing to die for the cause of being a Christian and yet not really be a Christian or an integral part of the congregation — and hundreds of thousands of individuals at that? Of course not! Why would someone who is uncommitted and has not dedicated his life to do God's will be willing to go this far? That borders a little on the ridiculous, wouldn't you say?
Obviously, the congregation in the 1st century was much larger than 144,000. No, the apostles and other disciples of Christ were not concerned about gathering a certain number of 144,000.
THINK ABOUT THIS:
If Jesus left explicit instructions to "baptize people of all nations," how would the apostles know when to stop baptizing individuals when they reached the desired number? Remember, they didn't even know about a certain "144,000" until John received the Revelation around 96 C.E. or the end of the century, according to the Watch Tower Society.
But the persecutions of Nero would be some thirty (30) or more years previous to this, right??? Therefore, how would the disciples know when to cut the baptism procedure, since thousands, yes, hundreds of thousands of individuals believed so strongly in the message that they were willing to die for it! How stupid could an individual be to believe such a thing in the face of these facts! There is no earthly way, no possibility, the apostles and faithful disciples ever dreamed up a foolish idea as what the Watch Tower Society has taught for so many years. No, the apostles and Christian disciples of the 1st century, spread the message, taught and baptized all, and we mean all, who would listen. And they were not hindered by any foolish count system like a 144,000 quota. No, the 1st century disciples fully followed Jesus' command at Matthew 28:19-20 to:
"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them . . . ." — See also Colossians 1:23.
IN CONCLUSION: To say that Jehovah God and Jesus Christ have merely gathered 144,000 Christians, grand total, up until the year of 1935 is absolutely and completely ludicrous! This is totally out of harmony with the facts we have at hand.End of Part I.
"Behold it, you scorners, and wonder at it, ...YOU WILL BY NO MEANS BELIEVE even if anyone relates it to you in detail." -- Acts 13:41
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Let's play a game - Follow the WTS $$ trail
by watch the tower ina huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.
no one really has a conclusive answer to that.
i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.
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Perhaps the "cosmetic lines" assist in the Watchtower's "money trail!" http://www.thebostonchannel.com/chronicle/1612655/detail.html The offer you can't refuse. The chance of a lifetime. The deal of the century. Every day, the people with something to sell are thinking of new lures to get us to buy. Tonight, Chronicle uncovers some of their secrets.
We'll meet the super salesmen who gave us the immortal phrase, "But wait, there's more," and sold millions of Ginsu knives along the way.
Mary Kay's Stephanie Kinnit explains how "warm chattering" can sell cosmetics in Downtown Crossing. We'll go door to door with a Jehovah's Witness minister and meet one of Boston's premier public relations professionals, the legendary Peggy Rose.
Show Information Stephanie Kinnitt
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781-283-8448Dale Carnegie Courses
781-894-2700 x226Jehovah's Witness headquarters
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718-560-5000Petra Fashions (lingerie)
978-777-5853www.petrafashions.comPrimedia (infomercial production and distribution)
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons in Major Turf Wars!
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http://www.meltingclocktimes.com/turfwars.htm breaking news!
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I admit that I did get a laugh out of it when I saw the article. For some reason this web site seems to be bringing up articles that were posted a year ago about this same time period. Perhaps the events are re-occurring somewhere!
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons in Major Turf Wars!
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JWD is [not] responsible for other pictures found at web site! http://www.meltingclocktimes.com/turfwars.htm Breaking News! Friday, December 3, 2004! Jehovah Witnesses & Mormons In Major Turf Wars Over Door to Door Trafficking
Missionaries like these are causing havoc across the country.
Both the Mormon and Jehovah Witness religions are growing and it was inevitable that the two groups would clash on the streets. It's getting ugly out there. Turf battles are erupting between Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. Police in several cities across the nation have had to break up brawls between the two religious sects.Wilma Butercup, an agnostic from Helena, Montana, thought she had a problem just shooing the proselytizers away. Last Monday right when a group of Jehovah Witnesses approached Butercup's door she saw Mormons coming up her front steps from the other direction. A major brawl erupted with each group yelling at each other and tossing flower pots. Butercup called the cops, but major damage already occurred before police broke up the fight. Garden flowers were uprooted and the place was strewn over with torn Watchtower pages and Mormon pamphlets.
“It's getting bad out here,” says San Diego resident Jimbo Doebert. “The kids can't even go out and play safely anymore.” San Diego is a hotbed of missionary activity. Police are advising residents to be on the look out for well dressed young men in suits and ties carrying brief cases.
Police in Seattle reported a major Jehovah Witness-Mormon brawl Wednesday. Witnesses say a group of well dressed Jehovah Witnesses were walking down the street when a group of well dressed Mormons came up the street from the other direction.
Apparently a Mormon yelled out to the Jehovah Witnesses, “You Jehovah Witnesses stick your feet in people's doors! Enough of your strong arm or strong foot tactics!”
“How dare you accuse us of being impolite!” yelled back a well dressed older Jehovah Witness woman.The yelling intensified and witnesses say that before you knew it Jehovah Witnesses were clobbering the Mormons on the head with rolled up copies of the Watchtower.
“If you don't stop hitting me with that Watchtower magazine,” yelled a burley young Mormon to an older Jehovah Witness woman, “I might have to force you to stop and it won't be my fault if you get injured.”
“I have no fear. I will sustain any injury in defense of Jehovah!”
“You may get hurt and require a blood transfusion,” yelled back a Mormon.
“No!” Fear came over the face of the Jehovah Witness woman, “Anything but that! How dare you! I have a coffee thermos here. Stand back!”
The group of Mormon young men jumped back as the woman flashed her thermos at them.
The police arrived and when the melee cleared Justin Tinglesub, a Mormon missionary from Provo Utah, lay agonizing on the ground yelling, “Help me! Help me! Some of that coffee got into my nose and mouth! Help! Get an ambulance!” His white shirt was stained brown with coffee.
Elma Fintstoneup, a elderly Jehovah Witness missionary, after tossing her coffee and losing her balance also was on the ground. “I'm sorry I lost my temper, but those young men are cult members!”
“You guys are the cult!” snapped back a Mormon.
“Calm down here!” said a cop. He looked at the elderly lady and said, “You look OK, but you should have a doctor look you over.”
“No! Keep away any doctors. They might give me a blood transfusion!”
“I just hope this problem doesn't get worse,” says New York police Sargent Gilmore McClodsky. “We're already overworked. But like other police departments across the country we're keeping an eye on dangerous religious literature wielding sect members.” -
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by watch the tower ina huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.
no one really has a conclusive answer to that.
i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.
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http://www.copyeditor.com/about/about_news_release.asp?contentid=1795 1/3/2005-Largest Custom Publications Identified for First Time
Phoenix—A team of researchers at Publications Management has identified the 50 highest-circulation custom publications in the United States, marking the first time in history that the growth of this burgeoning media form has been quantified in this manner.
“Six years ago we began collecting and monitoring industry data,” says Chris McMurry, president/CEO of McMurry, which operates Publications Management, a subscription-based monthly that has been produced since 1998. “Intuitively we have known all along that custom publications are a pervasive media form. The data, and the new Top 50 list, are helping quantify an industry that is omnipresent, but prior to our work was remarkably unmeasured.”
The top four spots on the list are dominated by two organizations: Jehovah’s Witnesses and AARP. The Watchtower and Awake!, both Jehovah’s Witnesses publications, rank with annual distributions of 614,832,000 and 540,720,000 copies respectively. AARP Bulletin and AARP The Magazine follow with 238,399,000 and 132,313,000 annual units each.Corporate America is well represented on the list with the likes of Kraft Foods, Home Depot, Costco, OnStar, Disney, Farmer’s Insurance, ESPN and Martha Stewart all appearing. The list is titled the Top 50 Branded Magazines because it represents publications that support brands that existed before the publication’s launch; the magazines listed are not the origin of the brand they represent.
“Some might think that publications like ESPN The Magazine don’t belong on the list. Our opinion is the cable channel ESPN is the core and origin of the business and the magazine is a promotional extension of the cable network. There is no question the cable network’s brand and promotional agenda is supported editorially in its magazine, hence its inclusion,” says McMurry.
McMurry (McMurry.com), Arizona’s second largest marketing communications firm, offers integrated marketing, advertising, online and public relations, custom publishing, and database management services to a variety of clientele including GlaxoSmithKline, The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, Amtrak, 24 Hour Fitness and STMicroelectronics. The company employs a highly desirable corporate culture as recognized by the Great Place to Work Institute, which named McMurry ‘Best Place to Work’ in Maricopa County for medium-sized companies, and BizAz magazine, which named McMurry one of its Coolest Places to Work in Arizona.
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Let's play a game - Follow the WTS $$ trail
by watch the tower ina huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.
no one really has a conclusive answer to that.
i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.
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Awake-2000-April-22nd-p.-28 After decades of disputing the findings of various medical authorities, Philip Morris, the largest cigarette manufacturer in the United States, now acknowledges that smoking causes lung cancer and other deadly diseases. A company press release says: “There is an overwhelming medical and scientific consensus that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema and other serious diseases in smokers.” The New York Times notes that “previously, the company had contended . . . that smoking was a ‘risk factor’ or a ‘causal factor’ in diseases like lung cancer, not that it caused the diseases.” Yet, despite this admission, the company says: “We are very proud of our cigarette brands and the advertising campaigns that have supported them over the years.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Awake-1989-July-8th-p.-8 What is the message being sent to women? The Philip Morris company, which manufactures a variety of cigarette brands, produces “Virginia Slims,” aimed at the modern woman. Their slogan is the one that attracted Amy: “You’ve come a long way, baby.” The ad portrays a sophisticated, modern woman with a cigarette between her fingers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Awake-2002-Feb-8th-p.-29 “Philip Morris Cos. officials in the Czech Republic have been distributing an economic analysis concluding that . . . smokers’ early deaths help offset medical expenses,” says The Wall Street Journal. “The report, commissioned by the cigarette maker . . . , totes up smoking’s ‘positive effects’ on national finances, including revenue from excise and other taxes on cigarettes and ‘health-care cost savings due to early mortality.’”
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Let's play a game - Follow the WTS $$ trail
by watch the tower ina huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.
no one really has a conclusive answer to that.
i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.
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Awake-1989-July-8th-p.-15
In 1875 R. J. Reynolds established a chewing-tobacco company in North Carolina. In 1913 they made their first cigarette—the Camel brand. From there the business has prospered to become second only to Philip Morris in the cigarette sales and earnings league in the United States.
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Let's play a game - Follow the WTS $$ trail
by watch the tower ina huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.
no one really has a conclusive answer to that.
i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.
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