since you either left the organisation or started to objectively examine wts doctrine.
Narkissos posted:
I for one am convinced that there is such thing as "relationship" with a literary character
But aren't we at least "kinda" getting to know one another better?
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And getting more to the topic, and if "ex-fundies count" (former fundamentalists, such as yours truly); um, yeah, I like Jesus a whole lot more than I used to. And, well, I really believe he's "t/here" too....
rick
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ok so the bible is a work of the early roman church - if you could add any books to a new canon of 'scripture' what would you add - would you take anything out?
my starter for ten: .
i think i'd take out song of soloman.
One thing about if yer gonna add new books....
You couldn't add so many that "Yer New Version" would too big, fat, thick, & heavy.
Perhaps "size & weight" should be a primary consideration in this new process of canonization?
You know, "carry-able-ness"....
LoL,
rick
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ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.
because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.
both jw's and ba's think they know everything.
hmike:
What term would you use to describe someone like me, who would be considered about 90% conservative Christian and 90% politically liberal?
What would you say?
At my usual & long time internet hangout, (Beliefnet.com), I dropped "Evangelical" from my Profile. (They have boxes you can check to describe yourself or a "blank box" where you can say anything; I typed in "christian"). I got rid of "Evangelical" as I didn't want to be identified as aligning myself with the fairly recent "theological left" within evangelicalism.
Btw, I'm left-of-center on the political scale. If it weren't for my conservative beliefs on "moral issues" (based on my understanding of Scripture), I'd be inside "The Evangelical Left."
I recently joined a book discussion Dialogue Group @ Beliefnet based on "God's Politics" by Jim Wallis (also editor of Soujourners Magazine). Having read just the first chapter; so far he's bringing up interesting ideas in areas of "social concerns." However, I don't know his position on moral issues, if he is theologically liberal? along those lines. Here's an FYI link:
Sojourners: "God's Politics" info
I think I'm rambling,
rick
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ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.
because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.
both jw's and ba's think they know everything.
LittleToe:
So you're saying that we're ecclectic, like many Christians.
And, following up via Narkissos:
"In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, diversity; in all things, charity (love)."
-- Saint Whoeversaidthis
Yeah, kinda like that, sorta....
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ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.
because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.
both jw's and ba's think they know everything.
LittleToe (if yer still around?):
I, too, could describe my beliefs as "partial preterist." But I didn't arrive at them by reading preterist stuff. Rather, "partial preterism" is a convenient way of saying it. (To be a "partial preterist" involves selecting from the various preterist beliefs). Iow, for me anyway, good ol' fashioned exegesis was "how I found my beliefs" about the End-Times.
All:
Re: "Born-Again Christians."
About 20-30 years ago "BAC's" and "evangelicals" were virtually synonymous phrases. "Evangelicals" is still used in a general way to describe conservative Christians -- who are both theologically and politically conservative.
However, in the last 15-20 years or so there are the "New Evangelicals," and/or "The Evangelical Left" (a term coined by Millard Erickson). Many of these Christians still identify themsleves as "born again." Yet a surprisingly large number of them are leaving conservative theology behind (and embracing liberal theological views). The Barna Institute has taken surveys of "BAC's and their beliefs." Their statistics show that many of them do not believe in the existence of a personal devil, that there are other ways to God (other than Christ), and that that homosexuality is not a sin, just to give a few new "born again" variations.
Take Jimmy Carter as an example. Formerly a Southern Baptist, he now accepts the use of condoms and other forms of birth-control as the "norm." Iow, he has left the Southern Baptist belief that abstinance is the rule.
Just some thoughts,
rick
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ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.
because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.
both jw's and ba's think they know everything.
LittleToe:
(Btw, we've met before here some time back... I was (then) "ikthuce4u")....
You asked if I hold to postmillennial or amillennial views. Postmillennialism's two versions aren't widely held today. Remnants of the "Old Liberalism Golden Age" Post-mill views are still around in progressive/liberal thought today.
"Conservative Postmillennialism" (which saw Christ's return as happening after the Gospel has been preached to all of the nations) isn't all that popular today either.
Technically speaking, I'm an Amillennialist; seeing Revelation as an apocalyptic book and interpreting it from its own (original, apocalyptic) meaning and context.
The giant error of dispensational-premillennialists is their concept that there are "two chosen peoples." The entire NT corpus sez there's been only ONE Chosen People since Christ came. Namely, "whomsoever will" = Anyone.
imo,
rick
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ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.
because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.
both jw's and ba's think they know everything.
Oooooops, in my minor fit of rage I mis-spelled "premillennialist."
ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.
because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.
both jw's and ba's think they know everything.
As an ex-A/G-er (Assemblies of God) I can tell you; JW's, A/G's, Mormons, Southern Baptists, and all of the other "dispensational" [premillenmnnialist] Christian sects share one thing in common. To wit, they are heretical in their teachings about the the Kingdom of God.
They're all waaaaaaaaay off-track....all of 'em.
rick
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kirby's "early christian writings" (link) no longer works, at least in my browser (firefox).
i can't find anything online (via goooogle).
thanx in advance, .
Thanks, Narkissos!
Till next time, take care,
rick
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kirby's "early christian writings" (link) no longer works, at least in my browser (firefox).
i can't find anything online (via goooogle).
thanx in advance, .
Kirby's "early christian writings" (link) no longer works, at least in my browser (Firefox).
I can't find anything online (via Goooogle).
Thanx in advance,
rick
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