whats going on? I dont think today is my postingday lol
Posts by filip
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311Urgent! Need help - I told my parents.
by filip inwe have just gotten home from sunday-meeting, when my mom ask me if i believe in god and so on.
so i tell her, cause you adviced me to be honest.
and despite all my fears, she took it very calm, and then told my dad whos also taking it calm, and it doesnt seem like theyre hating me now or want to throw me out of the house.. the thing is.
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Urgent! Need help - I told my parents.
by filip inwe have just gotten home from sunday-meeting, when my mom ask me if i believe in god and so on.
so i tell her, cause you adviced me to be honest.
and despite all my fears, she took it very calm, and then told my dad whos also taking it calm, and it doesnt seem like theyre hating me now or want to throw me out of the house.. the thing is.
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filip
btw, why arent my topic being shown uder the "friends" category where I posted it? It is only being showed on the front page under "newest topics".
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Urgent! Need help - I told my parents.
by filip inwe have just gotten home from sunday-meeting, when my mom ask me if i believe in god and so on.
so i tell her, cause you adviced me to be honest.
and despite all my fears, she took it very calm, and then told my dad whos also taking it calm, and it doesnt seem like theyre hating me now or want to throw me out of the house.. the thing is.
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filip
Youre right, I have been brainwashed (for good or for bad) since I was born. When my parents arguments with me, I start thinking: "What if theyre right?" And I really get a feeling that they ARE right. But then again, Im thinking, what if I only feel this way because I have been brainwashed since I was born?
When we had our "little chat" it was really difficult to come up with some good arguments. I said to them: "All other religions in the world ALSO believe as much you do, that they are having the true religion."
Then they say: "Yes, thats true, but how can their religion be true when they are going to war? Look at JWs, they are the only religion in the world that doesnt go to war."
further they say: "Look at everything around us. Look at the sandwich you have just made. Who made it? You! Do you think that the sandwich could have made itself?" I answer no. "Well then, do you think then that the universe, which is so much more complex than a sandwich, can have made itself? NO! thats a proof for GOD."
Or: they mentioned a prophecy about the destruction of Babylon. That prophecie came in year 700 or something before Christ, and the destruction came 300 years AFTER christ. And they said that it was proven scientifically that the scriptures are 2700 years old. Now what can I say to that?
Generally under the whole "chat" I couldnt defend myself at ALL. When they asked me what the exact things to WHY I dont believe was, I couldnt answer, because I dont really know. The reason why I dont believe is a lot of different, small as big things, and I couldnt describe my feelings... so all my arguments just dropped dead.
My only good argument was: "You cant know 100 % if what you believe is true."
They said: "What!? Yes we can! We know its the truth."
I said: "No. You cant know. Thats why its called "faith", thats why you use the word "believe". In the end it all comes down to faith. I cant either know if Im right by NOT believe in it or if Im wrong. I can only believe. No matter how many prophecies there are, or how great the universe is, it all comes down to the faith."
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Urgent! Need help - I told my parents.
by filip inwe have just gotten home from sunday-meeting, when my mom ask me if i believe in god and so on.
so i tell her, cause you adviced me to be honest.
and despite all my fears, she took it very calm, and then told my dad whos also taking it calm, and it doesnt seem like theyre hating me now or want to throw me out of the house.. the thing is.
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filip
I have already had a "little chat" with my parents, and they were pretty cool about it.
they said, that they will let me decide for myself under one condition: that I would study with a brother for at least 3 months or more, so I could see for myself, and if I then still dont believe in it, they would let me decide.
The thing is I dont know what to believe! A couple of months ago, when I still was on the other side of that line between belief and disbelief, I was wandering around thinking: "what if Im wasting my life with this religion? What if its not true? What if there are no God and there will be no Armageddon, and this is just a waste of time?"
And now, where I have cleared my mind that its all false and I dont believe it, I begin to doubt again. "What if Im wrong? What if I am going to be slaughtered in Armageddon? What if there really is a loving god up there?"
So Im just so confused and I dont know what to do? How can I ever truly find out what the truth is? I mean, if I study with that brother, and he convinces me that there is a God and JW-ism is the true religion, will I believe in it because it is the truth or because I was affected by him and my family to believe in it?
On the other hand, if I seek my answers on this forum I will get affected by the people in here to NOT believe in JW-ism. How can I ever truly find out whats the truth, if the reason why I choose to go either way, is because Im affected by the people around me?
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Urgent! Need help - I told my parents.
by filip inwe have just gotten home from sunday-meeting, when my mom ask me if i believe in god and so on.
so i tell her, cause you adviced me to be honest.
and despite all my fears, she took it very calm, and then told my dad whos also taking it calm, and it doesnt seem like theyre hating me now or want to throw me out of the house.. the thing is.
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filip
We have just gotten home from sunday-meeting, when my mom ask me if I believe in God and so on. So I tell her, cause you adviced me to be honest. And despite all my fears, she took it very calm, and then told my dad whos also taking it calm, and it doesnt seem like theyre hating me now or want to throw me out of the house.
The thing is. Im still very doubtfull. Constantly I think about if they ARE right, or everything is just rubbish. So we have been talking for an hour or so, just me and my mom. And all the time shes defending the trooth and coming with some good points, so I get all confused. One moment Im doubting and everything my parents and the people in the congregation says seems right.
The next moment Im convinced that there is no "trooth" and I dont believe in it. Im so confused, and were going to have a big talk later today. When my parents talk it just seems so convinsing, and when the people on this site talk, it also seems convinsing.
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singing at the meetings
by Dustin inwere any of you the really obnoxiosly loud singer at the meeting?
that always used to make me laugh when somone who couldn't sing just belted it out in their horrible voice.
or i used to love the husband and wife duos that thought they were all that as they sat and tried to harmonize.
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filip
You remember those really dramatic songs? The ones with a full orchestra and big drums, the doomsday songs. Like "The-end-is-near-satan-is-trying-to-tempt-us" and then BOM! BOM! BOM! from the drums, you know what Im talking about?
And then all of the sudden in the middle of the song, it changes completely and goes crazy with christmasbells and happy days.
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UPDATE: telling my parents I dont believe in God
by filip inmy parents have noticed my negative and sad attidude lately, whenever were going to the meetings or studying and so on.
but they just think that i am negative and sad in general.
i dont think they think that its spesifically because im being dragged to the meetings.. so lately we have had a lot of "serious" talks, because theyre worried for me.
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What!? Can I sue my parents for support? Get my own apartment at 15? Wtf? This is crazy news to me, but would be great! Although, about the suing part, my dad is a lawyer, so I dont know how good it would turn out.
But what you mean, is that if they force me to still worship and go to the meetings, I can contact for example my school counseler and make the government (the wordly one) teach them a lesson. I actually have a right NOT to be into JW-ism? And if my parents still force me to be a JW, it will cost them big?
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UPDATE: telling my parents I dont believe in God
by filip inmy parents have noticed my negative and sad attidude lately, whenever were going to the meetings or studying and so on.
but they just think that i am negative and sad in general.
i dont think they think that its spesifically because im being dragged to the meetings.. so lately we have had a lot of "serious" talks, because theyre worried for me.
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filip
yeah, I also hear that "AS LONG AS YOU LIVE UNDER MY ROOF" thing almost everytime we have a conflict, lol.
I havent thought about telling a school counseler, but I might do it now. Although my parents have always raised and told me NOT to talk about JW-stuff with for example my teachers or schoolcounserlers, cause they were afraid that somebody would come and take me away from them.
Now I see why, they didnt want me to talk to anybody about it, if I had any problems with JW-ism.
Thanks for all the links - so now I can be prepared with arguements to anything they might throw in my head.
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UPDATE: telling my parents I dont believe in God
by filip inmy parents have noticed my negative and sad attidude lately, whenever were going to the meetings or studying and so on.
but they just think that i am negative and sad in general.
i dont think they think that its spesifically because im being dragged to the meetings.. so lately we have had a lot of "serious" talks, because theyre worried for me.
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filip
Hmmm! Just the thought of, waking up saturday morning, hearing the rest of the family getting ready for field service, while I can close my eyes and go to sleep again... now thats paradise!!! Especially if its raining outside...
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UPDATE: telling my parents I dont believe in God
by filip inmy parents have noticed my negative and sad attidude lately, whenever were going to the meetings or studying and so on.
but they just think that i am negative and sad in general.
i dont think they think that its spesifically because im being dragged to the meetings.. so lately we have had a lot of "serious" talks, because theyre worried for me.
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filip
I dont feel guilt at all. I feel free (mentally). But in a way I am living a double life until I break the news to mom and pops! right?
I think Im gonna tell them soon. My mom first, cause shes more soft and I have a better relationsship with her. Then shes probably going to tell it to my dad. But then, the possibility of being kicked out of the house when I turn 18 is going to get even bigger.
As today, my dad said to me: "Whos going to support you the day you turn 18? Cause Im not."