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  CHRISTMAS WOES

  by emmamess22 in

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  most of you know i'm the one with all the religion woes..(ie....finding one...ha) anyways, i did all this research on christmas being that i was brought up not believing in it and found that it really does have pagan roots in a big way so i can't decide if it's ok to do it if i do it for jesus' birthday even tho now i know that it wasn't started that way and all this bad air is around it and i get scared i am deliberately doing something against god and that's detestable to him.....ahhhhhh.. i know he wasn't born in winter, i know we don't know when he was born....so is it ok for me to get presents on a day that used to be used to worship some pagan sun god when they would hang pine boughs all over their house.

  doesn't that make it bad?!

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  Wow, you guys rock!! Bring on the gifts!!
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  CHRISTMAS WOES

  by emmamess22 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most of you know i'm the one with all the religion woes..(ie....finding one...ha) anyways, i did all this research on christmas being that i was brought up not believing in it and found that it really does have pagan roots in a big way so i can't decide if it's ok to do it if i do it for jesus' birthday even tho now i know that it wasn't started that way and all this bad air is around it and i get scared i am deliberately doing something against god and that's detestable to him.....ahhhhhh.. i know he wasn't born in winter, i know we don't know when he was born....so is it ok for me to get presents on a day that used to be used to worship some pagan sun god when they would hang pine boughs all over their house.

  doesn't that make it bad?!

  ugh

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  Most of you know I'm the one with all the religion woes..(ie....finding one...ha) Anyways, I did all this research on Christmas being that I was brought up not believing in it and found that it really does have pagan roots in a big way so I can't decide if it's ok to do it if I do it for Jesus' birthday even tho now I know that it wasn't started that way and all this bad air is around it and I get scared I am deliberately doing something against God and that's detestable to him.....ahhhhhh.

  I know he wasn't born in Winter, I know we don't know when he was born....so is it ok for ME to get presents on a day that used to be used to worship some pagan sun god when they would hang pine boughs all over their house. Doesn't that make it bad?! UGH
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  Da cross....hee hee

  by emmamess22 in

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  by show of hands?

  who thinks it was a cross?

  who thinks it was a "stake" ?

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  Thank you all so very much!
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  Da cross....hee hee

  by emmamess22 in

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  by show of hands?

  who thinks it was a cross?

  who thinks it was a "stake" ?

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  wow, and now I feel like a jerk for all the times I've told people their crosses were vanity filled and idols as Jesus never even died on one etc, etc. I just watched the Passion a few minutes ago which I had not watched for fear it was "wrong" to watch it and I can't believe the denial of something like that.
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  Da cross....hee hee

  by emmamess22 in

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  by show of hands?

  who thinks it was a cross?

  who thinks it was a "stake" ?

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  So is wearing a cross necklace etc... a form of idolatry?
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  Da cross....hee hee

  by emmamess22 in

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  by show of hands?

  who thinks it was a cross?

  who thinks it was a "stake" ?

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  Wow, i was unaware that Russell thought it was a cross....why would they teach otherwise? I know that they believed that the variation of the word stauros was to mean a stake and not a cross, but everything that I've read historically says that even stakes (stauroo) had cross pieces a lot of the time. If they were trying to make an example out of Jesus, they would have used the cross to make it last longer. A stake would kill someone in as little as ten minutes until not much more than an hour due to inability to lift upper body to fill lungs. It seems so obvious to me that the fact people were passing him and taunting him and that his cross neighboors were talking to him that it was something that took a little time. It's right there! Oy.
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  Da cross....hee hee

  by emmamess22 in

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  by show of hands?

  who thinks it was a cross?

  who thinks it was a "stake" ?

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  By show of hands? Who thinks it was a cross? Who thinks it was a "stake" ?!
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  HELP!! Trying to find right religion brough up as JW

  by emmamess22 in

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  i was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) jw.

  i have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her baptisit dad and i felt awful.

  so, i've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.. spent hours looking at christmas online....saw it was traced to pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.

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  Thanks all. That was very helpful . I am also starting to think I don't need a MAN to tell me I'm saved or I'm going to make it or anything else. God is the only one who can save me or pull me through it....so I'm going to do it little at a time and thank him every day for what I have (and have not) and do what feels right....thanks.
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  HELP!! Trying to find right religion brough up as JW

  by emmamess22 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) jw.

  i have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her baptisit dad and i felt awful.

  so, i've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.. spent hours looking at christmas online....saw it was traced to pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.

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  The rush of course, is that JW cloud of Armageddon being right around the corner (tomorrow...Thursday?!) as in, if I don't do this....I'm one of those getting the rain of fire killing me on Armageddon day.....see why there's been so much craziness?!

  deep breath, sigh....
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  HELP!! Trying to find right religion brough up as JW

  by emmamess22 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) jw.

  i have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her baptisit dad and i felt awful.

  so, i've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.. spent hours looking at christmas online....saw it was traced to pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.

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  Hi all. I was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) JW. I have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her Baptisit dad and I felt awful. So, I've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.

  Spent hours looking at Christmas online....saw it was traced to Pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.

  Heaven and Hell....the Bible says we'll inherit the "Earth" in a zillion places....so we can't be going to Heaven or Hell.....RIGHT? Wouldn't hell just be eternal death (sounds pretty unfun to me) and Hell be where Satan is kept once he's done with? Wouldn't Heaven be the paradise? But I don't know about the 144,000....are they the only ones and the great crowd referenced are merely "in sight" of the throne and not at it? I don't understand what Armageddon is. Just a big old killing of everyone not a JW!?!?!?!?!? And then a resurection of already dead (righteous and unrighteous?) Why would God choose to resurect righteous AND unrighteous at the same time after having killed lots of unrighteous?

  crucificions were how people were punished. That's historical fact of what they did. Studies have shown that if one was merely impaled with hands above head they would only live ten minutes to an hour due to inability to lift up a little to fill lungs. Jesus was alive long enough to be made fun of and reproached and forgive the dude next to him etc. etc. One could argue that Jesus could die whenever he wanted becuz of who he is but if that were the case, I doubt the criminal next to him would waste THEIR ten minutes making fun of him, they'd be trying to breathe. PLUS if he was outlasting the usual amount of time, the ones crucifying would take notice of the extraordinaryness of it all and rethink it and prolly take him down right?! Why is the JW way the only one that teaches that it wasn't a cross? Is it really wrong to wear one (idolatry?) if we do it for our own symbolism of what it was that was done for us? ( I don't wear one, but my fiance's mom does and I've been tormenting her about it.)

  Is celebrating the birth of my daughter, whose day was the best ever actually a bad thing? Does that mean the day she was born I should have been like, "Great, who cares...put her in the nursery and hand me the remote control...."

  Went to Baptist church with fiance the other day and felt so guilty I almost had to leave and vomit. But can't believe in RAPTURE....or can I?

  HELP....so torn.