Posts by slimboyfat

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The Harp of God book

by blownaway in

i am looking for the book the harp of god.

i am told it has some crazy passages in it.

can anyone put up some quotes of the book?

I did just mention Schnell's book to Earnest above. I have read it a couple of times. Schnell was a very interesting character for sure. Tony Wills has a good discussion of him in A People for His Name. The actual reason he left JWs I find intriguing. Which as far as I can make out is because Watchtower didn't like Schnell making money selling books. Schnell is listed as an ordained minister of Watchtower in the yearbooks of the 1930s and 1940s, plus a number of his letters to Watchtower were published in the magazine. Wills claimed that some of these undermined claims Schnell would later make in Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave.

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Highly Recommended exJW YouTube Channel

by Sour Grapes in

i am a subscriber on youtube for kim and mikey, marc and cora, susan gaskin, stacy lopez, spike r, and several others.

i recently found a channel called anonni mowse and she is just fantastic.

she is so down to earth, very educated, and speaks her mind so clearly about her being in the cult.

slimboyfat

Irish, no?

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The Harp of God book

by blownaway in

i am looking for the book the harp of god.

i am told it has some crazy passages in it.

can anyone put up some quotes of the book?

slimboyfat

Sorry about your dad OrphanCrow.

That's excellent research Earnest thank you very much. I wonder if you have an opinion why Rutherford changed his mind about Zionism. The idea that Rutherford was very involved in Germany and used it as a testing ground for "theocratic" policies was promoted in the (in)famous book Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave by William Schnell. Have you ever read that? A fascinating book in many ways, but not to be terribly relied upon for matters of fact. I had to laugh when I found that an active JW had written a book called Forty Years as Jehovah's Willing Slave, or something similar.

careful, maybe Franz was behind the change, but reading what Rutherford wrote about the subject it's hard to avoid the impression he took it personally.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

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friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

slimboyfat

You don't think there is the tiniest bit of irony insulting someone and complaining about insults in the same breath?

I'm curious, did he even call you names like that? If not, then it's even more ironic.

And I get insulted just for pointing out the irony? When have I ever called you names? It's not impossible I suppose. So I won't say, I've never called you a name ever. But I honestly don't remember ever calling you names. But for you it's a habit to insult people and call them names. Tell them what they've read, what they should read, but that you don't need to read something in order to criticise it. And so on.

You habitually do exactly what you accuse other people.

Like that, always saying others need to read about evolution before cricising it (a fair enough point in itself) but refusing to do the same yourself on other perspectives.

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The Harp of God book

by blownaway in

i am looking for the book the harp of god.

i am told it has some crazy passages in it.

can anyone put up some quotes of the book?

slimboyfat

Have you got evidence for these claims?

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The Harp of God book

by blownaway in

i am looking for the book the harp of god.

i am told it has some crazy passages in it.

can anyone put up some quotes of the book?

slimboyfat

Are you arguing that JWs rejected Zionism in response to Mein Kampf? That's so ridiculous you can't mean that, can you? But otherwise I don't know what your post is meant to say. Maybe you could explain.

It's true that Mein Kampf was published in 1925 and was quite popular in Germany even before Hitler came to power. It wasn't translated into English until 1933. Rutherford rejected Zionism before 1933. Watchtower literature also criticised the Nazis even before they came to power.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

slimboyfat

Hothead... your sophomoric insults.

Yep, irony lost once again.

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Are JWs capable of a genuine discussion?

by stuckinarut2 in

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friends

i was just pondering whether jws are capable of having a calm, in depth discussion about religious or faith topics?.

i have just finished listening to a great podcast by "dogma debate" (dan) episode 333. this fantastic, in-depth conversation between a theist and an atheist was a masterful example of how a dignified conversation can take place without it resorting to abruptness or even nastiness.. jws on the other hand seem incapable of having such discussion without ending up in the following ways:.

1)they get dogmatic and defensive if a differing view is presented.. 2)if the conversation doesn't go their way, they cut it short saying something like "well, we had better agree to disagree" or the like.. so why the arrogance?

slimboyfat

Yearbooks are replete with such stories of clergymen becoming JWs. But you won't find any experiences like that related in the 2018 yearbook. For two main reasons:

1. No new experiences.

2. No more yearbook.

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The Harp of God book

by blownaway in

i am looking for the book the harp of god.

i am told it has some crazy passages in it.

can anyone put up some quotes of the book?

slimboyfat

I don't have the quotes to hand. But at one time I did look into this closely. Rutherford abandoned Zionism before the Nazis came to power in 1933. But you are correct in the sense that Nazis didn't tend to recognise the niceties of "new light" and continued to ascribe Zionist beliefs to JWs anyway.

More pointedly some JW critics have suggested that JWs abandoned Zionism to appease the Nazis. But the chronology doesn't support this. Rutherford rejected Zionism before the Nazis came to power.

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Can you top this example of JW corruption?

by Mace.Bean in

if you are a former jw elder, can you share any examples of corruption which you personally witnessed that were kept secret from the congregation?

following is an account from a longtime elder named tommy who recently disassociated.. the minor daughter of a presiding elder in a west texas congregation committed fornication with a 19-year old baptized witness in her father’s home.

the daughter had to confess to a judicial committee which included the aforementioned tommy.

slimboyfat

Sounds like two teenagers had sex and later got married. Doesn't seem astoundingly corrupt to me.

I knew of a ministerial servant who stole around £500 from congregation funds and got a private reroof. I was surprised they didn't have better systems in place to catch that but maybe it happens all the time,

Seems pretty small scale compared to what happened at the publishers of The Christadelphian magazine, Apparently the editor of the magazine stole funds amounting to hundreds of thousands of pounds over many years, before he was caught. It's somewhat impressive actually that such a tiny denomination had enough funds to absorb that scale of theft unnoticed for years. It's quite an interesting story you can read about here:

http://www.christadelphianresearch.com/investigationforfraud.htm

I have no independent verification of the details given on that paragraph, other than simply that it seems to be documented and not particularly sensational. I find Christadelphians fascinating in lots of ways, both insider and outsider perspectives.