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  SECRET RECORDING 14TH APRIL:RALPH WALLS: MORE CHANGES ARE COMING!

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
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  secret recording 14th april:ralph walls: more changes are coming!.

  ( broadcasted to all british congregations today).

  https://youtu.be/owg4bqj7pd0?si=yvfpkkos_qoy9u10.

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  slimboyfat

  See John 5:26; 6:53, 57.

  God has life in himself and causes Jesus to have life in himself, who in turn causes those who partake of his flesh and blood to have life in themselves.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Not to say it’s true in every case, but I’ve only ever encountered the term “self care” from the most narcissistic and selfish people I’ve had the misfortune of coming across. In itself it wouldn’t be a bad idea but such people never seem to balance it out with other concepts such as empathy, obligation and diligence.
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  The Times of Restoration of All Things

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought of something during last weekend's wt study article, that made me think that perhaps we are on the wrong track on how the governing body is going to handle the whole 607-1914 thing.in paragraph 9 it referred to the the messianic kingdom rule as a period as called 'times of restoration of all things' taken from acts 3:21. this period of 'restoration', started in 1914 with jesus becoming king in heaven, and led to pure worship being restored 'soon after that'.and it was the last comment, that got me going.you see, in previous wt study articles (and i went through the 1990-2024 references) this term of 'times of restoration' was applied rather generally and more like a description of what jesus and jehovah was going to do during the messianic rule, rather than a formal title and a fulfillment of prophesy.however, what if the governing body keeps 1914 as jesus' invisible crowning ... but dumps 1918 as the date for the beginning of true worship?

  firstly this paragraph reinforces the previously announced removal of russell being a part of the slave class, for obvious reasons.

  but if 'true worship' had a soft start around the 1920s and making that the elastic part, then the embarrassment of his teachings and maybe even rutherford's, all of it could be excused as the speech of john the baptist.

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  Acts 3:21 is a key text in Mormon eschatology referring to the restoration of the true church from Joseph Smith on.

  https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-44?lang=eng

  Watchtower applies the timeframe of restoration from 1914 through to the end of the millennium.

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/pure-worship/teaching-boxes/times-of-restoration-of-all-things/
  
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  SECRET RECORDING 14TH APRIL:RALPH WALLS: MORE CHANGES ARE COMING!

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  secret recording 14th april:ralph walls: more changes are coming!.

  ( broadcasted to all british congregations today).

  https://youtu.be/owg4bqj7pd0?si=yvfpkkos_qoy9u10.

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  slimboyfat

  Could somebody please post the timestamp where he says this? I honestly can’t face 45 minutes of this just now but would be interested to know if he said more changes are coming.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

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  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  I’m not surprised if the stipulated congregation donation has dampened donations overall. If people think that the costs are covered by the congregation donation then of course they’re going to stop contributing individually on top of that. Plus if you stop handing out practically any books or magazines at the Kingdom Hall then people start wondering what it is exactly they are paying for - a few online videos and to keep bethels open, for what? The whole point of branches used to be to produce and distribute they literature. If they are reduced to a few offices and filming studios then why should they cost so much?
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  Irán attacks....

  by mikeflood in

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  just a moment ago irán started to attack israel, guess they're gonna end in ruins because israel has a way better army than other country in the region and the support of the us....hope the gas prices don't increase too much.... wonder how the borg gonna spin it..

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  slimboyfat

  58% in Britain want to end arms sales to Israel compared with only 18% who want to continue.

  https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2024/04/04/8aa72/1
  
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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
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  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

  answer: .

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  How fast you learn a language varies dramatically based on ability and motivation. There are plenty of indications that Fred Franz had ability and was highly motivated. He was known to be a language geek. He knew German from childhood, he attended a Spanish congregation and gave talks in Spanish and other languages. He continued to study Greek while Watchtower editor at the headquarters from 1928 onwards as evidenced by references to scholarly works in the literature. That’s not to say he was at a level comparable with leading scholars. But was he good enough to complete translation of the NWT? It seems so, because he did complete the NWT. Scholars who reviewed the translation when it was published offered criticisms of its wooden English and alleged bias in certain passages, but didn’t question that the translator knew enough to complete the translation. For example he adopted some views about how Hebrew aspects should be translated that have not aged well. That might be viewed as a mistake based on adoption of ideas floating around at the time, but it is also evidence that he knew enough about the language to adopt such a position in the first place.

  It is ‘a’ translation mostly borrowed from extant English translations.

  Which translations did it borrow from? If that was the case it would be easy to prove, especially with modern plagiarism software and AI. Have you ever done this, or know of it being done with the NWT?

  Fred Franz’s style was pretty unique, some would say uniquely bad, but for better or worse I think his translation was clearly his own effort, completed in a serious manner involving a lot of hard work. It took him around 13 years to complete his translation of the entire Bible. The result is a Bible translation one might expect from someone who had some formal training in Greek, who had a lot of dedication and spent a lot of time on the task, and who worked outside the Trinitarian tradition that has influenced Bible translation since the 4th century. Trinitarians obviously hate it because it doesn’t follow the orthodox line, but that doesn’t mean Franz wasn’t competent in Bible languages. Non Trinitarian scholars such as Jason BeDuhn and Benjamin Kedar have complimented the NWT. Some Trinitarian scholars have acknowledged that the NWT is a competent translation even if they accuse it of bias.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  slimboyfat

  Like many churches that consist of baby boomers now dying off, Watchtower is probably financially secure on the basis of financial legacies of property owning boomers for the foreseeable future.

  I know of a number of churches that are running out of people but have enough money through legacies to continue catering to very low numbers of attenders - like ten or fewer worshippers on a Sunday - and can afford to employ a minister and maintain a large building. Many churches are struggling and closing too, for financial reasons, but they are often down to a handful of attenders before they give up.
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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
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  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

  answer: .

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  slimboyfat

  Fred Franz only took one 2hr. survey course in koine greek (biblical greek) at the university of cincnnati . The other greek he studied was modern greek.

  Surely that is classical Greek, not modern Greek??? Two years classical Greek seems good training for understanding the NT. A number of scholars of classical Greek have produced acclaimed translations of the NT. Some might argue it’s a better way into the NT text than a specific course on NT Greek with all the theological bias that may entail.
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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
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  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

  answer: .

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  slimboyfat

  Even FF had no formal training in Hebrew or Greek, he said so in Court.

  Fred Franz studied Greek for two years at Cincinnati University. It’s not nothing.

  He was asked to translate a verse in English into Hebrew in court, which he declined. There is debate over whether this is a relevant or fair test of Hebrew knowledge. He was not asked to translate Greek.

  He was self taught in Hebrew. Raymond Franz said he observed Fred Franz reading Hebrew, which is against-the-grain testimony that he could understand the text.

  Personally I think that Fred Franz must have been competent in Greek and Hebrew to produce the NWT. Other explanations are more convoluted than the straight forward one.