The Jew, Philo described the Logos as an archangel and a secondary god around the time that the gospel of John was written. Origen, the greatest scholar of the early church explained that Jesus is a “second god” in John 1.1. In modern times, the scholar Jason BeDuhn argues that the NWT’s “a god” is the most accurate translation. Another scholar, David Bentley Hart, who is an Orthodox Christian, and a Trinitarian, argues that “god” is the best translation. Adela Yarbro Collins, a senior biblical scholar who is a past president of the Society of Biblical Literature, argues that the Word is “a god” in John 1. Those scholars who argue that the NWT’s “a god” is not accurate are invariably trinitarians who are motivated to protect church dogma.
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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?
by slimboyfat infor jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.
but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?
new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.
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Annual Meeting live updates
by ukpimo ini have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.
annual meeting live link.
the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.
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slimboyfat
They had 12 in the past - in the classic Proclaimers group GB portrait in 1991 .
They seem to aim for roughly twelve but are not fixated on the number. I think the most has been 17 and the fewest 7 - off the top of my head.
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Annual Meeting live updates
by ukpimo ini have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.
annual meeting live link.
the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.
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slimboyfat
Jackson’s talk was the most entertaining. He made a good few jokes about elderly anointed. He’s a good speaker, but at the end of the day the new insistence that anointed don’t need to be elderly is a climbdown. In the long run people will remember the climbdown rather than the amiable delivery and the jokes.
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slimboyfat
Only joined Bethel in 2020? I wonder what he was he doing before that.
I wonder if it grates on all the helpers who’ve been there for decades. And what about poor old thingamy from Edinburgh – overlooked again. (I forget his name)
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slimboyfat
Yes, I couldn’t find photo or video with Jacob Rumph. He was appointed a helper one year ago, a quick ascent.
Did the announcement contain the customary statement “these are anointed brothers”? I missed it.
What happened to the idea that “helpers” were non anointed Nethinim anyway? Has that been abandoned.
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slimboyfat
Can’t find anything with Jacob Rumph, only appointed a helper one year ago, a quick ascent.
Jody Jedele here, looks quite young, possibly under 50?
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODPgmEvtGilead/pub-jwb-107_5_VIDEO
Did the announcement contain the customary statement “these are anointed brothers”? I missed it.
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slimboyfat
Jeddoly and Rumph???
Who are they?
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October Elder's Letter Delayed- Big Announcement at Annual Meeting
by Newly Enlightened inhttps://youtu.be/93h5zpbil6k?si=ffatfxjuxmj_na9i.
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slimboyfat
I find that odd because don’t elders get a letter every month. Whatever change is made, if a change is made, why not simply include it in the next letter?
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Annual Meeting live updates
by ukpimo ini have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.
annual meeting live link.
the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.
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slimboyfat
You mean anyone can press the link and watch it? Was it the intention of JW dot Org for this to be available, or are we sneaking in the back door? If that’s the case, might they not withdraw it if they become aware it is posted here?
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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?
by slimboyfat infor jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.
but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?
new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.
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slimboyfat
For JWs who believe that Jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how JWs managed to achieve a closer approximation to early Christian beliefs and practices than other groups. But is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?
New Testament scholar James Dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:
We must attempt the exceedingly difficult task of shutting out the voices of early Fathers, Councils and dogmaticians down the centuries, in case they drown the earlier voices, in case the earlier voices were saying something different, in case they intended their words to speak with different force to their hearers.
James D.G. Dunn Christology in the Making: An Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of Incarnation (1980), pages 13 and 14.
The reason JWs were able to arrive at a clearer understanding of what the biblical texts were saying was because they were willing to put aside the traditional dogmas of the church and creedal statements that had steadily drifted away from the teachings of early Christianity. The leaders of the Reformation were willing to do this to some extent, but they did not go the whole way, as they were unwilling to challenge the dogmatic statements of the fourth century church on Christ and the Trinity in particular. Another biblical scholar. Jason BeDuhn, invokes this as an explanation how those who translated the New World Translation managed to produce a version that is more faithful to the original:
The Jehovah's Witnesses, on the other hand, are more similar to the Protestants in their view that the Bible alone must be the source of truth in its every detail. So you might expect translators from this sect to labor under the Protestant Burden. But they do not for the simple reason that the Jehovah's Witness movement was and is a more radical break with the dominant Christian tradition of the previous millennium than most kinds of Protestantism. This movement has, unlike the Protestant Reformation, really sought to re-invent Christianity from scratch. Whether you regard that as a good or a bad thing, you can probably understand that it resulted in the Jehovah's Witnesses approaching the Bible with a kind of innocence, and building their system of belief and practice from the raw material of the Bible without predetermining what was to be found there. Some critics, of course, would say that the results of this process can be naive. But for Bible translation, at least, it has meant a fresh approach to the text, with far less presumption than that found in many of the Protestant translations.
Jason David BeDuhn, Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament (2003), pages 164 and 165.