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  Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

  by Diogenesister in

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  🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

  this link is hilarious!

  they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

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  slimboyfat

  Then it’s a bit bizarre that you cite Irish as an example where it would be as ridiculous as Klingon for WT to publish in that language when they have done so for most of their history.

  The idea that languages have grammar and dialects don’t is what is sorely misunderstanding how language works. All languages/dialects can be written down and used if people find it useful to do so. I only know Scots of the languages you cite, but it is certainly written down, has its own grammar, history and literature. If Watchtower chose to publish in Scots there’d be nothing wrong with that. People who find it useful could use it and people who don’t find it useful could choose not to use it. But to complain about other people choosing to use a written language that you personally choose not to use is a political power play. It’s “get back in your box, you’ve got no right to pretend to be a real language like your bigger neighbour”, type behaviour that belongs better in the 19th century than in the 21st. To claim to speak for all Jamaicans is also something of a stretch. Even if many Jamaicans feel the way you claim (where is the evidence?) that still leaves those who will welcome seeing their everyday language in print and find it inclusive and helpful. Why should they be deprived of it just because others don’t find it useful or because others think it looks/sounds funny?
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  Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

  by Diogenesister in

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  2. humour

  🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

  this link is hilarious!

  they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

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  slimboyfat

  @slimboyfat: I look forward to seeing more translations of WTBTS literature in other politically charged written conlangs:
  Ebonics; Scots; Irish; Esperanto; Toki Pona; Klingon; Flemish; Walloon; High Valerian

  You are telling on yourself. You think the language of Scots, Irish, Flemish, Walloons, and African Americans is to be mocked by comparing it with Klingon and High Valyrian? Isn’t that somewhat ignorant, not to mention less progressive than WT. Is that where you want to be? And for your information, WT literature is already translated into Irish and has been for over a hundred years. “A language is just a dialect with an army”, as they say. To empower the everyday languages disparaged and degraded by more powerful neighbours as “dialects” is a smart move as well as an ethical one and I applaud it.
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  1/2 of the Jehovah’s witnesses have gone

  by hoser in

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  there are 1/2 of the jehovah’s witnesses that there were 30 years ago in my area.

  some have left but i think that many have died and none of their kids stayed being jehovah’s witnesses.

  7 congregations have been dissolved over the years.

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  My congregation has had similar numbers for 30 years now. It was slightly larger in the 1980 and dropped a bit in the mid 90s. But the composition has changed dramatically. Now around a third of congregation are African immigrants.
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  Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians

  by Paul Bonanno in

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  hi .

  who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.

  paul.

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  Zoe Knox, Emily Baran, and Detlef Garbe
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  slimboyfat

  You can run in, give a dislike, then run back out again. 💡 😁
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

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  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  The reason 1 Tim 2.5 shows Jesus is not God is because it says there is “one God” and that Jesus is the mediator for that “one God” and humans. In any normal understanding of language, the world and anything, this means that Jesus, whoever he is, is someone other than the “one God”, and the humans he is mediator for. If I say that Jack took a message between Toby and Ryan we know next to nothing about Jack, but what we do know with absolute certainty is that Jack is neither Toby nor Ryan, he’s somebody else.
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  Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

  by Diogenesister in

  1. social
  2. humour

  🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

  this link is hilarious!

  they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

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  slimboyfat

  Ah so the flag is on the cover of an outside Bible translation. That makes sense. I guess all decisions about language are “political”, you can’t get away from that. But for people who appreciate having Watchtower literature in their everyday language it is a good move to provide it. Others who don’t appreciate it don’t need to use it and can continue using English. If some people feel diminished or politically wrong footed because other people now have the freedom to make a different language choice than they would make (to use creole WT literature) then that’s a pretty self-centred attitude and I wouldn’t worry about such people.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  I don’t know how any of that refutes what 1 Tim 2.5 plainly says: there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ. Jesus is therefore distinguished from the one God. This is totally incompatible with the Trinity. I know in many discussions there is merit on both sides and reasonable argument can be had. But I don’t think this is such as case. If it wasn’t for centuries of dogma, the prestige of the church, and the stigmatisation of JW theology as heretical, I don’t think the discussion would even get off the ground. The Bible tells us dozens of times that Jesus is separate from and distinguished from God. Dealing with the inventive ways Trinitarians come up with discounting each and every one is simply a waste of time.

  Good video on some of the places Jesus said he wasn’t God here.

  https://youtu.be/hzpw1b5WxHM?si=43EJyJBDE2jap578
  
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  Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

  by Diogenesister in

  1. social
  2. humour

  🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

  this link is hilarious!

  they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

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  slimboyfat

  I think this is fantastic and inclusive and I don’t see a thing wrong with it. Do other religious groups produce literature in Jamaican patois, I wonder? If not, then even more kudos to Watchtower for doing this.

  Seems a bit odd to include the flag, though. Do they do this for other countries?

  I wish they’d produce British English spelling versions of literature and the NWT too, but maybe that’s not a priority.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  slimboyfat

  Mostly accurate, but initially she says his Patron account funded “things like his research, travel, and legal battles against Watchtower”. Did he ever even claim the money was used for “legal battles” or is she just adding this as fluff? Even if he somewhere claimed it, she shouldn’t be naive to repeat such an obvious falsehood. I’d be astonished if a single penny was ever spent on any such thing.

  Interesting that she says she watched all his videos back in the day but she only recently found out about the scandal. I guess that there are still fans who have no idea.