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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  I like that you’re now calling it an “eminent” collpase by the way, because it will be very auspicious indeed.

  I say we call the WT collapse imminent, eminent and immanent: near, grand, and all encompassing!
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  You seem to be coming round Morph, slowly but surely. Watchtower is in serious financial trouble and they are trying everything to prevent disaster. If seems doubtful they will succeed, but I am open to any contrary evidence.
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  Who was arguing that WT doesn’t have an income? Their problem is that their spending exceeds their income.

  In particular they have far too many employees. They have enough employees to sustain a worldwide publishing empire that is now all but redundant. I don’t think there is any other church their size that employs so many people to do such a tremendous amount of unproductive work.

  It made sense to train and employ missionaries when those missionaries sold literature and produced a net profit for Watchtower. Now it’s a loss all the way down the line. It’s a loss to produce the literature, then to just give it away for free. And it’s a loss to train and pay missionaries (and special pioneers and circuit overseers, for that matter) who no longer sell Watchtower publications.

  They are cutting bethelites and missionaries and special pioneers in order to cut costs. But they still have the basic problem that none of these roles adds value to the organisation by their activity. Each and every missionary or special pioneers is a cost to the organisation with no financial return.

  They didn’t know how good they had it when growth, preaching, and selling literature were all complementary activities that reinforced one another and strengthened the organisation.
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  Not Being Invited To Gatherings.

  by kennylazo1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have you ever found out that your "buddies" from the kingdom hall went out to have fun and did not invite you?

  if so how did you feel?.

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  slimboyfat

  They are extremely petty. I got invited to a meal even though I am inactive. I could tell by the look on an elder’s face when he entered the room that he reckoned I shouldn’t be there. I think word had been passed around that I am “bad association” but someone didn’t get the memo. Too bad for them. Good if the elders felt uncomfortable that their informal shunning hadn’t worked on this ocassion. They need to try harder. (I’m sure they will)
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  Good points.

  careful I'm available for consultation purposes for a reasonable fee. Maybe there should be a document in a drawer with my contact: in case all else fails call slimboyfat
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  Well yes that’s what I’ve been saying. They have everything coming at once:

  1. Decline in wealthy countries that are net contributors.

  2. Growth in poor countries that are a financial drain. (Honduras alone reported to cost $6 million net per year)

  3. Millions of new Bibles to supply when they can least afford it.

  4. Relying on “income” from property sales to cover ongoing expenses, an unsustainable stop gap measure.

  5. Making cuts that don’t save as much as they hoped. (Cutting printing by 90% doesn’t cut printing costs by 90% and cutting bethelites by a quarter doesn’t save a quarter of the costs)

  6. Increasing legal costs.

  7. Payouts and settlements in legal cases.

  8. Decreasing contributions from publishers in response to cutbacks and media reports of legal settlements.

  9. No apparent way to monetise any of their output either old print media or new broadcasting output.

  10. No apparent wealthy benefactors as other groups often rely upon.

  Yes on top of all of this, if the economy in general gets worse, it’s difficult to see how an organisation that is already struggling, will be able to survive.
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  Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.

  it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.

  it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.

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  slimboyfat

  I guess the point is that your sexual orientation is not a choice, whereas being a homophobe is a choice. And not a choice that should be pandered to in public. What homophobes do and say in private is their business. But there should be no place for discrimination in public, no matter how “sincerely held” their homophobia.
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  Do they really say most contributions are electronic now? I wonder if electronic contributions go through the congregation or straight to the branch, or even the headquarters. If someone donates on the website who lives in the UK, is that money sent straight to the United States and not counted in the UK?
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  Who knows, they might. But I think it would be a mistake. Being an elder is often already a thankless job. Forcing them to pay money for the “privilege” would be a last straw for many. Plus it’s meant to be anonymous. How do they technically and ideologically adjust to demanding money?
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  slimboyfat

  They must have expenses that exceed $1.2 billion a year, or whatever it is they have coming in. The $1.2 billion figure is only a very rough estimate, for the reasons I gave on another thread. But if anything, my guess would be it’s on the conservative side.

  How much do they spend each year? We only know that they spend nearly quarter of a billion dollars annually on special pioneers, mirrionaries and circuit overseers. That’s the only figure they give. We don’t know how much other costs total, including bethelite allowances, healthcare and so on, print, online media production, legal fees, building maintenance and repairs, vehicles, travel, and whatever else. It could easily amount to much more than $1.2 billion annually.

  I totally agree there are many small indications in their comments in recent years that donations have not met expectations. Lett seemed disappointed that more money was not generated from his appeal. Morris all but implied that cutbacks such as the yearbook were because brothers were not contributing enough. Another GB member (I forget) said any good household head cuts spending to meet the budget. And perhaps most tellingly of all, in one of the leaked videos a speaker made the comment that the cuts programme must continue “unless the level of contributions changes significantly going forward”, or something like that. Which tells us they are disappointed with the amount contributed and still hold out some sort of vague hope that it will magically improve.