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  Stroup's "The Jehovah's Witnesses."

  by em1913 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a book that doesn't get a lot of talk these days is herbert h. stroup's 1945 study "the jehovah's witnesses.

  " which is too bad, because in the field of jw studies it pretty much stands on its own as a serious, scholarly look at the rutherford era of the movement -- one written with no theological or doctrinal axes to grind, but rather with the impartial eye of a professional sociologist.. stroup received no cooperation whatever from brooklyn in writing this book, but he spent a great deal of time among rank-and-file witnesses of the late 1930s and early 1940s, attending their meetings, joining them in field service, and eating at their homes, and what emerges is a picture of an overwhelmingly working-class movement which overlapped in its hopes and ultimate goals the ambitions of other radical social movements of the 1930s.

  the witnesses were not marching in labor parades or participating in sit-down strikes or engaging in other forms of street-level radicalism, but stroup finds that, in their individual views on the social and economic structures of the time, they were largely in harmony with those who were, even in spite of their religion's supposed disavowal of politics, and he sees them as much as a political movement in that sense as a religious one.

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  Yes it’s a very interesting book. I have a copy, somewhere.

  There are many incidental comments that illuminate the period. It shed a little light on the length of Rutherford’s illness I posted about in this thread.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/154191/rutherford-exposed-story-berta-bonnie-redux?page=11

  I guess you know about Werner Cohn’s article about JWs as a “proletarian” movement.

  Cohn, W. (1955). Jehovah's Witnesses as a proletarian movement. The American Scholar, 281-298.

  He also wrote about JWs and “racial prejudice”. I’m not sure how accurate his comments were.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5687757573718016/jehovahs-witnesses-racial-prejudice-werner-cohn

  Very good to have someone interested in WT history on the site.
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  Bumped Into One Of My Best Friends On The Carts This Morning

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so this morning i'm walking to my office and there's the jws on their carts outside as usual.

  and old sister, a brother in his 20s and an elder i instantly recognized from my jw days.

  one of my best friends of about 20 years.. i genuinely just wanted to say hi as i havent seen him in 3 years.

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  slimboyfat

  It’s amazing how this organisation manages to put the blame for family destruction on the person who is being shunned. And JWs really believe this version of reality too. Quite astonishing.
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  Revelation 14:4

  by Sergey Antonov in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it turns out that on the basis of the book of revelation 14:4 the anointed ones have to be virgins?

  how does the governing body explain this?.

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  slimboyfat

  They have not defiled themselves in worldly politics.
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  Cognitive Dissonace on full display at JWtalk over evolution research

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a user over on the jwtalk forum recently shared a warning over his research on evolution in preparation for an assigned talk.

  after detailing a couple of the tidbits that he learned of during his research, he went on to say:.

  this i found to be useful especially when talking ot others in the ministry.. but and it is a big but.....

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  If the universe is rigged so that material and then biological systems inevitably result in conscious human beings, then doesn’t that direction of history, wired into the fabric of reality, raise the question of intention?
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  Cognitive Dissonace on full display at JWtalk over evolution research

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a user over on the jwtalk forum recently shared a warning over his research on evolution in preparation for an assigned talk.

  after detailing a couple of the tidbits that he learned of during his research, he went on to say:.

  this i found to be useful especially when talking ot others in the ministry.. but and it is a big but.....

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  I think there is a significant dispute among scientists whether evolution has a direction or not. I found this interesting discussion of the issue by philosopher of science a Michael Ruse.

  https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/2017/01/26/does-evolution-have-direction/
  
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  "We don't do that" - Serena Williams talking about celebrating birthdays

  by vivalavida in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i guess you can be physically out, like in a huge way, but definitely mentally in.. serena williams claims she won't be celebrating her daughter's first birthday.. i did know people like that, raised as a jw but never actually baptizing.

  that didn't mean they were not messed up in the head though..

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  Not surprised by this at all. I know many inactive JWs who do the exact same: it’s the fornicating/no-Christmas combo formulation for inactive JW approval/salvation.
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  Cognitive Dissonace on full display at JWtalk over evolution research

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a user over on the jwtalk forum recently shared a warning over his research on evolution in preparation for an assigned talk.

  after detailing a couple of the tidbits that he learned of during his research, he went on to say:.

  this i found to be useful especially when talking ot others in the ministry.. but and it is a big but.....

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  There’s “kingdom of the son of his love” Col 1:13 but “Kingdom of God” is the most common.
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  Cognitive Dissonace on full display at JWtalk over evolution research

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a user over on the jwtalk forum recently shared a warning over his research on evolution in preparation for an assigned talk.

  after detailing a couple of the tidbits that he learned of during his research, he went on to say:.

  this i found to be useful especially when talking ot others in the ministry.. but and it is a big but.....

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  “Kingdom of Jesus Christ”? Where is that?

  Kingdom of God, or kingdom of heaven, or just kingdom. I don’t recall “Kingdom of Jesus Christ”.
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  Languages, Dialects, Accents

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just though i'd start a thread devoted to languages, dialects/sociolects and accents, with the idea being that posters can comment on any language, or dialect or accent of any language, on this thread.. any phrases, expressions or idioms that you find interesting are also welcome.

  first, the subject of english accents came up on another thread.. the british isles have many different types of accent (although many of the dialects may be dying out), and if i start to take a closer look, i can't help but see 'patterns' .... in received pronunciation of standard english, the letter r is pronounced initially, between vowels, and after consonants, e.g.

  red, arrow, break.

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  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5994237225074688/american-accents-bette-midler-clinton-rick-fearon-strathclyde-morningside
  
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  Ancestery.com— I Got My Results! Very Surprised

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i got my results in on sunday and my bloodline is mostly from great britain and italy and greece!

  not what i expected at all but it does explain my love of italian and greek foods.😎.

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  slimboyfat

  Did you get the health and charateristics version that tells you have flappy ears and your pee smells of asparagus? You won’t develop Alzheimer’s but it’s not much comfort because a stroke will get you young anyway?