Posts by slimboyfat

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JW org collapses

by I Faded Twice in

ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

slimboyfat

Just go compare their Kingdom Halls with those of the 7th day Adventists or Mormons.

In Scotland there are roughly:

35 Mormon Churches

10 SDA churches

82 Kingdom Halls and 1 Assembly Hall

Mormon churches are bigger than Kingdom Halls but are generally empty on Sunday. The one in Johnstone is literally empty, and presumably will be sold at some point. The one in the west end of Glasgow is the biggest in Scotland and used to have two congregations, now only one since Springboig Congregation was dissolved. I think it’s also used as a base for training missionaries.

SDA churches comprise a variety of different buildings. The one in Irvine is an extension of a shop front. The one in Faifley is like a large hut, which is smaller than most Kingdom Halls. The church in Dundee is a large building and they recently built an extension that almost doubled its size. The church in Glasgow is about the same size as a Kingdom Hall and struggles to accommodate more than 120 on a Saturday, which is sometimes the attendance. In Edinburgh they use a large old converted church, which is cold in the winter because they can’t afford heating. In Paisley they rent a hall in a local community centre. The SDA church in Crieff is probably their nicest church in Scotland it has lots of wood beams and windows and large rooms and gardens. Here is a picture.

http://sm.adventist.org.uk/news/archives/sc/scottish-evangelism-training-creating-a-church-for-others

Within a UK context Mormons are overreprested in Scotland whereas JWs and SDAs are underrepresented.

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JW org collapses

by I Faded Twice in

ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

slimboyfat

Doubter, Stephen Lett said in 2015 that the organisation has “more going out than coming in”. All their desperate actions since indicate he was telling the truth, and then some.

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JW org collapses

by I Faded Twice in

ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

slimboyfat

Sanchez yes the question is whether Watchtower can find a way to live within their means. I think it’s doubtful they can do this without undermining the organisation itself by selling too many KHs and undermining their credibility to the rank and file JWs.

The comparison with Mormons does seem relevant because they only have 5 million active members and around 40,000 congregations worldwide. JWs have three times as many congregations to maintain on a much smaller budget. I think that is relevant information.

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JW org collapses

by I Faded Twice in

ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

slimboyfat

Why are they still around 17 years after they were not in trouble? Huh? I wasn’t saying they were in trouble in 2001. You’d need to take that up with whoever said that. If there were people saying that. In fact, until 2015 I thought they were in pretty good shape. My old posts reflect that. That’s when the crisis hit in earnest, although the first signs might be detected from around 2008, in hindsight,

If what some people were predicting in 2001 was that Watchtower’s payouts for abuse would become an issue for for the organisation, I think we’d have to say that was pretty accurate. And this is nowhere near run its course.

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JW org collapses

by I Faded Twice in

ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

slimboyfat

Doubter back in the 1990s we didn’t have: dozens of branch closures, thousands of KHs being sold, WT and Awake! reduced to nothing, Yearbook discontinued, thousands of bethelites sent home, district overseers abolished, special pioneer numbers slashed, no new missionaries from Gilead, begging for more donations by GB members, sale and downsizing of headquarters in US, UK and elsewhere, cutting bethel services, no new book releases, demanding perpetual payments from congregations straight to organisation, millions of dollars being paid out to abuse victims, worst media coverage in their history, lack of leadership, completely nonsensical new generation teaching, unprecedented opposition online, on YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, commercial movies exposing shunning, blood, abuse and more, etc, etc.

Apart from that, everything is pretty much the same as it was in 2001 and absolutely nothing to suggesf Watchtower is in any kind of trouble whatever.

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Here's another subtle reverse-witnessing topic:

by neat blue dog in

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the next time a jw brings up a natural disaster or severe weather event as proof of the last days, and they preface it by reciting a fact they heard on the news like, (just for the sake of example) 'it's the worst earthquake in 70 years' or 'the worst plague in 200' years', (you get the picture), then simply reply: "oh, so that means that ____ years ago there was one that was worse, right?".

i did this twice.

both times got the same response:.

slimboyfat

Yeah but, ah but, yeah but... it’s a composite sign, doncha know!

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JW org collapses

by I Faded Twice in

ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

slimboyfat

Do you know how much WT made from the sale of Brooklyn properties? 1 billion dollars?

Do you know how much the Mormon church collects in tithes each year? 8 billion or so?

WT is not weathly compared to other religions, and they are getting poorer every month. Can they turn it around by making even more cuts? It’s possible, but not likely they can turn it around, in my view.

Churches that have collapsed/are in terminal decline:

Apostolic Church - because their prophecy about their leadership being specially chosen in a specific timeframe failed

Shakers - because they opposed procreation

Church of God - because their media empire faltered

Methodists in Britain - didn’t move with the times and also lost sight of core message: worst of both worlds

Christian Science - lack of leadership to carry on legacy of founder

Watchtower suffers from every single one of these issues that have destroyed comparable religious groups. Yet some people insist that Watchtower is immune to collapse. Why?

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TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS "Handling Cases of Drug Abuse" September 1, 2018

by Not_Culty in

https://jwglossary.blogspot.com/2018/09/to-all-bodies-of-elders-handling-cases.html.

to all bodies of elders "handling cases of drug abuse".

september 1, 2018. to all bodies of elders re: handling cases of drug abusedear brothers: as noted below, the procedure for handling the misuse of marijuana and the abuse of medi- cal, illicit, or addictive drugs has been adjusted to harmonize with the procedure for handling the misuse of tobacco.

slimboyfat

Use of drugs under medical supervision, does “not necessarily require judicial review”? Are they insane? When on earth is it appropriate for elders to question medical prescriptions?

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TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS "Handling Cases of Drug Abuse" September 1, 2018

by Not_Culty in

https://jwglossary.blogspot.com/2018/09/to-all-bodies-of-elders-handling-cases.html.

to all bodies of elders "handling cases of drug abuse".

september 1, 2018. to all bodies of elders re: handling cases of drug abusedear brothers: as noted below, the procedure for handling the misuse of marijuana and the abuse of medi- cal, illicit, or addictive drugs has been adjusted to harmonize with the procedure for handling the misuse of tobacco.

slimboyfat

What was the paragraph in the elder book they have been instruxted to score out?

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The rise and rise of Paul Gillies?

by JWB in

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the rise and rise of paul gillies?.

here are a view details about the 57-year-old paul stuart gillies.. .

2011: appointed as a director of international bible students association (ibsa) on 2 november having resigned as a director of watch tower bible and tract society of britain on the same day.

slimboyfat

That was the one I was looking for. Doh!