Posts by slimboyfat

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OK, We Need To Talk About The Crazy New Great Tribulation Video...

by pale.emperor in

if you haven't seen it already, skip to 1:14:30 in lloyds video and watch the craziness unfold.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2y7f7-k5wo.

i'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.. they're digging themselves a great hole here, in about 30 years time they'll be claiming this video was a mere "speculation" and that "some people" got the wrong ideas..

slimboyfat

Okay, I have a different take on this.

It seems to me this video will age well, and it could be part of a long term strategy to establish a credible and enduring presentation of their endtime expectations.

The video, at least the part I saw, mentioned 1919 many times, but I don’t think it mentioned 1914 once. The new Ezekiel book has 27 mentions of 1914 whereas it includes 50 references to 1919. Moreover 1919 features in many of the paragraph questions for emphasis, whereas 1914 appears in none. Which is pretty astonishing when you consider that the official line is that 1914 was predicted by scripture, whereas 1919 is derived from 1914 by extension and by events of that year.

I suspect they may be preparing to drop 1914 altogether and replacing it with 1919. The reasoning offered may be that while 1914 was based on faulty chronology, Jehovah nevertheless used these expectations providentially to gather people for pure worship in 1919. The basis for 1919 will simply be the evidence that a group of people emerged in this year with true Bible teachings and embarked on the modern preaching campaign, severing the link to a specific chronology, and 1914.

If that’s the plan then this video could still be played even after 1914 is dropped.

Obviously the advantages of dropping 1914 are multiple, including no longer defending a dubious set of historical and exegetical claims, plus no longer having to define “generation” in increasingly incredible ways.

Plus I find it a bit odd that a main objection from Cedars is that the video presents as if the GB really believe this “crazy” endtime scenario. I guess I just don’t find this so surprising. If you believe what JWs believe, then this video is a pretty straightforward presentation of what JWs believe. It’s crazy if you don’t share those beliefs, but just a simple presentation of the facts if you do share those beliefs.

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New Upcoming Changes - No More Publisher Record Cards & Reporting Hours

by thedepressedsoul in

publisher record cards and reporting hours will be going away.

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coming soon.. made this post 4 years ago, it happened - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24020002/kingdom-consolidation-sales-coming-reliable-source.

slimboyfat

Sir, have you noticed that field ministry has been downplayed slightly in the new elder book in the section on recommendations?

The old elders book said that appointing someone as an elder who is not zealous in the ministry would have a dampening effect on the congregation. The new elders book doesn’t include this comment.

Maybe this was in the pipeline when the new elders book was prepared.

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New Upcoming Changes - No More Publisher Record Cards & Reporting Hours

by thedepressedsoul in

publisher record cards and reporting hours will be going away.

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coming soon.. made this post 4 years ago, it happened - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24020002/kingdom-consolidation-sales-coming-reliable-source.

slimboyfat

I hesitate to disagree with careful, because he’s usually correct, but the OP says the rumour is they’re going to stop collecting hours, not just change the method of collection. And he was apparently correct last time. And it seems to me the organisation is experiencing a slow motion collapse. I agree with truth b known, this is the next natural step, and probably to avoid legal trouble, but will likely have huge unintended consequences.

How will the organisation function without the carrot of privileges and the stick of deletions to keep everyone in line? For many sisters their status as pioneer is their badge of identity and their only way of gaining any sort of recognition in the religion. Take that away and will they be bothered to keep going?

It will accelerate the ongoing organisational collapse, if true.

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Nudity in the movie "Roma"

by Wonderment in

in the movie "roma," a man is shown making some martial type moves with a sword totally naked.

and the scene is not so brief, giving a clear glimpse of his private parts.

it is a very graphic scene.

slimboyfat

Don’t think you could really call it fan service.

Can’t help finding it slightly amusing that you should find this disturbing Wonderment.

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New Upcoming Changes - No More Publisher Record Cards & Reporting Hours

by thedepressedsoul in

publisher record cards and reporting hours will be going away.

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coming soon.. made this post 4 years ago, it happened - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24020002/kingdom-consolidation-sales-coming-reliable-source.

slimboyfat

Is there any word on the official reason they are going to provide for this change, and the real reason?

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New Upcoming Changes - No More Publisher Record Cards & Reporting Hours

by thedepressedsoul in

publisher record cards and reporting hours will be going away.

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coming soon.. made this post 4 years ago, it happened - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24020002/kingdom-consolidation-sales-coming-reliable-source.

slimboyfat

I think this could be true. In some ways it’s the natural extension of halting literature production. Why do you need to measure “publishing” activity when there’s no literature for people to distribute?

It would have massive implications for how the organisation functions. For example will there still be pioneers? How will they define a pioneer, if not hours? I guess the concept will need to be redefined or dropped altogether, and with it much of the incentive structure that currently keeps the organisation functioning. Other churches function without counting hours, but they have other incentive systems in place which JWs lack (for example congregational autonomy, which is a powerful motivation for congregations of other religious groups, is completely lacking with JWs).

It really does feel like the GB believe the game is up, so they are drawing down their assets, and winding down the organisation.

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Society Ditches Older Publications

by new boy in

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friends

it has been reported that many of the older publications are being dumped.

the watchtower bible and truck society have a long list of books, pamphlets and brochures that are no longer available either in print or in their data base on their web sight.

of course the reason is that this books have a lot of old information that is incorrect, false prophecies, flip flops and a lot of "new light" that became old light.

slimboyfat

These rumours have been flying around for years, but I have never found them very convincing, or seen good evidence.

In fact the new elders book gives this instruction:

LIBRARY
39. Each Kingdom Hall auditorium should have space for a library. (od p. 61 par. 19) The library should contain publications for each language group using the auditorium. The bodies of elders should determine whether the library will provide publications in printed form, electronic form, or both. Since some publishers and inter- ested persons do not use computers or electronic devices, the elders should give careful consideration to the needs of such in- dividuals when making decisions as to the Kingdom Hall library, especially before deciding to eliminate printed publications. If the publications will be provided in electronic form, such as on a de- vice or on a computer, a printer should be made available. At least one responsible brother should be assigned to keep the li- brary up-to-date and in good order.
40. In the event that the bodies of elders decide to eliminate printed publications from the library, care should be taken not to discard items that have historical significance. The branch office may wish to add such items to its library or to its archive of historical ma- terials.

An interesting exception appeared in a recent elders letter which states that an old brochure aimed at Muslims is to be specifically discarded. Elders are also instructed to destroy old manuals and other policy documents so they don’t get mixed up with new ones.

There has never been a general instruction to destroy old literature as far as I am aware. Local elders dumping old literature off their own back I can imagine happens from time to time. In fact the instruction in the elders book that “care should be taken” is pretty good evidence that elders are sometimes careless in what they throw away.

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First Brexit, is SCOTCH-EXIT next?

by The Fall Guy in

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friends

mrs. may-hem seems happy to allow the no-deal scenario to go ahead if her deal isn't accepted.. if that scenario occurs, we can expect yet another push for a referendum to vote for scotland's "independence.

" independence would simply mean replacing the overlords of the westminster parliament with a new set of overlords in brussels, because the scottish national party is desperate to join the eu.

"independence" is so liberating!.

slimboyfat

How democracy works is that parties stand on a manifesto and if they win they get to implement the manifesto.

In 2011 and in 2016 the Scottish elections produced results that supported referendums in parliament. This never happened before in the Scottish parliament and there is no telling when it will happen again, but demoncracy surely means that the results of elections should be respected each time, not just sometimes. So how many referendums should Scotland have? As many as they vote for, is the democratic answer. If Canada is any indication then there would likely be little appetite if a second referendum failed.

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First Brexit, is SCOTCH-EXIT next?

by The Fall Guy in

jw
friends

mrs. may-hem seems happy to allow the no-deal scenario to go ahead if her deal isn't accepted.. if that scenario occurs, we can expect yet another push for a referendum to vote for scotland's "independence.

" independence would simply mean replacing the overlords of the westminster parliament with a new set of overlords in brussels, because the scottish national party is desperate to join the eu.

"independence" is so liberating!.

slimboyfat

It’s the UK that is creating a hard border if they leave the EU without an agreement that keeps Norther Ireland in the customs union. And the EU has resolutely supported Ireland in rejecting any agreement that includes a hard bornder or the future possibility of one.

The UK’s insistence that it can leave the EU without creating a border is a bizarre excerise akin to insisting that they can produce squares which are circles, declaring anyone who calls a square a square obstructionist.

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First Brexit, is SCOTCH-EXIT next?

by The Fall Guy in

jw
friends

mrs. may-hem seems happy to allow the no-deal scenario to go ahead if her deal isn't accepted.. if that scenario occurs, we can expect yet another push for a referendum to vote for scotland's "independence.

" independence would simply mean replacing the overlords of the westminster parliament with a new set of overlords in brussels, because the scottish national party is desperate to join the eu.

"independence" is so liberating!.

slimboyfat

You're speaking as if Scotland is an independent country, or if matters that voting patterns are different north of the border.

The reason it matters is because the SNP stood and won on a manifesto in 2016 that said we would have a new independence referendum if this scenario happened. If democracy is respected then that manifesto will be implemented.