slimboyfat
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Help: project to gather statistics on JW congregation finances.
by Anders Andersen inmany countries demand that charities publish a yearly summary of their finances.. where i live (netherlands), charities must publish these statements themselves, and jw do this at jw-anbi.nl.
(i'm quite certain almost no jw knows about that site btw.).
anyway i've been working on automatically harvesting data from all the congregation finance statements to gain more insight in how the borg is doing over time.. now it occured to me that i could do this analysis for more countries and get an even bigger picture.
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Help: project to gather statistics on JW congregation finances.
by Anders Andersen inmany countries demand that charities publish a yearly summary of their finances.. where i live (netherlands), charities must publish these statements themselves, and jw do this at jw-anbi.nl.
(i'm quite certain almost no jw knows about that site btw.).
anyway i've been working on automatically harvesting data from all the congregation finance statements to gain more insight in how the borg is doing over time.. now it occured to me that i could do this analysis for more countries and get an even bigger picture.
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slimboyfat
This is a good idea. I seem to recall someone is already doing this for UK congregations, but I can’t find the thread right now.
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Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?
by pale.emperor ini remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?
) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.
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slimboyfat
I have every Yearbook back to 1936. I will have a further look later. As you say, the earlier Yearbooks had a different, “snippet” format.
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The recent "Special " talk ,how many times was the name JEHOVAH mentioned VS the name JESUS
by smiddy3 inthe jehovah`s witnesses have long charged christendom`s religions falsely i might add of hiding the name of god jehovah /yahweh from their congregants ,by not using it or putting that name on the back burner so to speak ,and just using it minimally .. i`m just wondering if the jehovah`s witnesses /wtb&ts are actually guilty themselves of doing the very same thing with the name of jesus.. in the nwt of the bible 1984 edition i have in the section bible words indexed they have the name jehovah listed 80+ times ,.
however the name jesus is listed less than twenty times .. while i concede the bulk of the bible is contained by the o.t./hebrew scriptures and the n.t./christian greek scriptures are a smaller portion of the bible jehovah`s witness theology do place a lot more emphasis on jehovah than they do with jesus.. arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of jesus christ in christianity ?
and exulting the name of jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .phillipians 2:9-11.
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slimboyfat
Why do you say “resort” to the meaning of Jesus’ name? Jesus’ name was highly significant for the early Christians. (See Matt 1:21)
Additionally, Jews in the first century used God’s name in the form Yaho. (See The Earliest Non-Mystical Jewish Use of IAW by Frank Shaw) So when the early Christians used the name Yaho-shua, they thought “Yaho Saves”. Jesus’ name did not replace God’s name, it pointed towards it.
The NT makes much more sense when we realise that the early Christian authors used God’s name and were fully aware of the meaning of Jesus’ name in relation to the divine name.
Consider how much more sense these verses make when we realise the first Christians used the divine name and appreciated the meaning of Jesus’ theophoric name.
Acts 3:19 Therefore, repent and turn so that your sins may be wiped away; so that happier times may come from Yaho himself, 20 and so that he may send you, in Yaho-saves, your long-appointed anointed one.
Acts 2:20 The sun will become darkness,
And the moon blood-red,
Before the day of Yaho comes – that great and awful day.
21 Then will everyone who invokes the name of Yaho be saved.”
22 People of Israel, listen to what I am saying. Yaho-saves of Nazareth, a man whose mission from God to you was proved by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God showed among you through him, as you know full wellVerses that make much more sense with the meaning of the divine name and Jesus’ name acknowledged in the text are too numerous to cite. The teaching of the NT is that Jesus bears Jehovah’s name because Jesus is the means by which Jehovah saves. Focus on Jesus’ name, or being witnesses to Jesus is not in competition with being witnesses of Jehovah. For the early Christians, to be a witness of Jesus was to be a witness to the fact that Jehovah saves by means of his anointed servant.
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Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?
by pale.emperor ini remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?
) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.
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slimboyfat
careful, the reference for Taiwan may be the 1972 Yearbook, under the heading Cleansing and Rebuilding
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Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?
by pale.emperor ini remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?
) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.
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slimboyfat
Yes in fact there is a book about the story of how a hundred or so JWs in Alberta left the organisation along with Penton. I don’t think they manged to take a Kingdom Hall with them.
https://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Allegiance-James-Beverley/dp/0920413374
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The recent "Special " talk ,how many times was the name JEHOVAH mentioned VS the name JESUS
by smiddy3 inthe jehovah`s witnesses have long charged christendom`s religions falsely i might add of hiding the name of god jehovah /yahweh from their congregants ,by not using it or putting that name on the back burner so to speak ,and just using it minimally .. i`m just wondering if the jehovah`s witnesses /wtb&ts are actually guilty themselves of doing the very same thing with the name of jesus.. in the nwt of the bible 1984 edition i have in the section bible words indexed they have the name jehovah listed 80+ times ,.
however the name jesus is listed less than twenty times .. while i concede the bulk of the bible is contained by the o.t./hebrew scriptures and the n.t./christian greek scriptures are a smaller portion of the bible jehovah`s witness theology do place a lot more emphasis on jehovah than they do with jesus.. arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of jesus christ in christianity ?
and exulting the name of jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .phillipians 2:9-11.
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slimboyfat
The book of Acts presents Jehovah and the Lord Jesus as distinct, and it says that Christians are called out of the nations as a people for his name.
Acts 2:34 David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’
Acts 15:15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written: ‘After these things I will return and raise up again the tent of David that is fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, known from of old.’
Additionally it is worth pointing out that the name Jesus itself points to the name Jehovah because it is a theophoric name meaning “Jehovah is salvation”, and that NT authors were aware of this etymology and its significance. (Matt 1:21)
So on each occasion where the NT states the significance of Jesus’ name it is not replacing Jehovah’s name but rather confirming its significance.
Acts 4:10 Let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus [Jehovah saves] Christ the Naz·a·reneʹ, whom you executed on a stake but whom God raised up from the dead, by means of him this man stands here healthy in front of you. This is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the chief cornerstone.’ Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”
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Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?
by pale.emperor ini remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?
) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.
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slimboyfat
I guess this has happened lots of times, in Eastern Europe and Southern Africa in particular, but by no means confined to those areas. Gathering information on the specifics is more challenging however.
One example in the US which has been discussed on this forum:
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The recent "Special " talk ,how many times was the name JEHOVAH mentioned VS the name JESUS
by smiddy3 inthe jehovah`s witnesses have long charged christendom`s religions falsely i might add of hiding the name of god jehovah /yahweh from their congregants ,by not using it or putting that name on the back burner so to speak ,and just using it minimally .. i`m just wondering if the jehovah`s witnesses /wtb&ts are actually guilty themselves of doing the very same thing with the name of jesus.. in the nwt of the bible 1984 edition i have in the section bible words indexed they have the name jehovah listed 80+ times ,.
however the name jesus is listed less than twenty times .. while i concede the bulk of the bible is contained by the o.t./hebrew scriptures and the n.t./christian greek scriptures are a smaller portion of the bible jehovah`s witness theology do place a lot more emphasis on jehovah than they do with jesus.. arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of jesus christ in christianity ?
and exulting the name of jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .phillipians 2:9-11.
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slimboyfat
Arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of Jesus Christ in Christianity ? and exulting the name of Jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .Phillipians 2:9-11
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11 Phil 2:11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
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A Must Read Update on WBTS and Darkspilver from reddit
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inmany of us know that watch tower (yes, two words in this case) has issued a subpoena to reddit to try to gain darkspilver's identity due to accusations of copyright infringement:.
tl;dr: on april 9, watch tower filed a response to the eff's motion to quash (filed march 26) regarding the subpoena submitted to reddit in an attempt to find /u/darkspilver's identity.. the wt response is publicly available here as a pdf, from the site court listener.. a number of other documents relating to the case are available on the same site, here.. and the eff's motion to quash is available on the eff's website here.. details: as i'm sure many of us know, watch tower (yes, two words in this case) has issued a subpoena to reddit to try to gain /u/darkspilver's identity due to accusations of copyright infringement.
specifically, watch tower is claiming copyright infringement for two things: first, darkspilver posted the back page of the november 2018 watchtower which was an article entitled "what gift can we give to jehovah?” which explained how to donate.
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slimboyfat
Darkspilver was a very informative poster and an asset to the forum.