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  Why the Catholic Church outlast Jehovah's Witnesses

  by no-zombie in

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  many of us who are old timers in "truth", will clearly remember how we and the organization gloated when christendom began selling off their churches, as we saw many ending up becoming cafe's and art galleries.

  i personally remember being told (both in general conversation and in print) that the fall of their congregant numbers meant that most churches were ultimately attended by the elderly and it was clearly linked to the "drying up of her waters" in reference to the fall of babylon and babylon the great..

  how ironic, that this very situation has now befallen the society and our local kingdom halls..

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  slimboyfat

  Yes I find myself thinking similar thoughts. The growth of JWs during the 20th century was pretty impressive, despite those who like to downplay it, yet the communities they have established are ultimately pretty weak and prone to decline just as fast, or faster than they appeared.

  I compare it to the decline of the Church of Scotland which has been on a downward trend for over half a century. Some have predicted it will close before 2040. Yet in some ways it displays more resilience than JWs. Ten years ago I would never have expected that the Church of Scotland Yearbook would outlast the JW Yearbook, and yet here in 2019 the JW Yearbook is discontinued, and the CofS red Yearbooks are still going strong.
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  BBC Radio 4 comedy show (Ex JW, very good)

  by pleaseresearch in

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  2. bible

  heard this today in the car and thought i would share it.

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  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b07x6mf3.

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  slimboyfat

  Heard it before, it’s a repeat, but very good. Especially thr dismantling of “new light” - spot on.
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  2019 International Convention Growth Figures from Baptism

  by HiddenPimo in

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  2. beliefs

  so the borg has put up the attendance and baptism figured from the miami and atlanta international conventions.. amazing growth!.

  atlanta - 46,374 peak attendance / baptized 314.

  0.67% growth.

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  slimboyfat

  The “growth” percentage presented appears to be baptisms exprsssed as a percentage of those in attendance at the convention, which is a peculiar way to calculate “growth” to say the least.

  Since when was attendance at a convention the measure of JW membership?

  What about people who died or became inactive?

  Why are only baptisms from the summer convention counted and not the two assemblies?

  Not to mention unbaptised publishers, and other issues.

  I don’t think this “growth” figure tells us anything much at all. A comparison with last years’ attendance and baptism figures at those conventions would be useful information.
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  Amber Scorah is on the Daily Show tonight.

  by I quit! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wanted to let everyone know that ex-jw amber scorch is on the daily show on comedy central tonight.

  it should very good.

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  slimboyfat

  Not available for my country.
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  Amber Scorah is on the Daily Show tonight.

  by I quit! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wanted to let everyone know that ex-jw amber scorch is on the daily show on comedy central tonight.

  it should very good.

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  slimboyfat

  Is a clip available?
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  Check out this shameless image on jw.org.

  by nicolaou in

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  2. beliefs

  another generation of children being fed the same lie we, our parents and grandparents were told.

  this is the link, it's image number 8. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/united-states/2019-love-never-fails-international-convention-series-overview/.

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  slimboyfat

  So you wouldn’t even want an end to Watchtower shunning unless it included a full acknowledgment and apology for past actions? That seems like making the perfect the enemy of the good. If Watchtower saving some face is the price to pay for ending shunning it seems a good deal. Or are you more interested in vengeance than preventing harm?
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  Watchtower volunteer injuries

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was recently talking with a zealous 'sister' who for years was assigned to use a certain chemical while taking care of wt property, only to have it irreparably damage her immune system partly because she wasn't trained properly.

  she said there was a potential lawsuit but she didn't want to bring reproach on jehovah's organization.

  has anybody else heard of similar situations, of people being hurt or injured in service to the org, maybe even because of them, and taking the loss so the org wouldn't look bad?.

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  slimboyfat

  Yes I heard, only in rough outline, that a brother died during Watchtower construction work in Germany due to negligence. The JW family were under a lot of pressure from the congregation not to seek financial compensation from Watchtower. I think they reached an agreement to give the family a modest amount of money for their hardship in order to avoid a court case, but it was generally considered that they would have had a substantial claim if they pursued it.
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  Check out this shameless image on jw.org.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another generation of children being fed the same lie we, our parents and grandparents were told.

  this is the link, it's image number 8. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/united-states/2019-love-never-fails-international-convention-series-overview/.

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  slimboyfat

  However you feel about Watchtower in the past, isn’t it better if they cause less harm in future?
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  2019--June Announcements and Reminders and More!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2019 international bible students branch construction project.

  https://docdro.id/sstm2u5 .

  2019 ireland branch construction project.

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  slimboyfat

  Is there actually any point to the “for elders eyes only” section of the letter, other than to make elders feel special? And yet now the whole world can read the elders secret messages before they do. What a blow to the ego, if they realise. Is there any other religion as secretive as JWs? It’s not even as it is very interesting information they keep secret. Scientologists, when they get to level 10 or whatever, find out that humans descend from aliens from planet Radom, or some such. JWs make it to super duper overseer level only to find out... how to exclude sisters from attendant duties at assemblies, among other fascinating information.
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  Check out this shameless image on jw.org.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another generation of children being fed the same lie we, our parents and grandparents were told.

  this is the link, it's image number 8. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/united-states/2019-love-never-fails-international-convention-series-overview/.

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  slimboyfat

  Maybe so. But I think it’s worth trying. Sometimes I get the impression you wouldn’t like JWs to become better! No religion is all good or bad, but JWs certainly have a lot of room for improvement. I like this book about good and bad religion.

  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Bad-Religion-Peter-Vardy-ebook/dp/B005ER6OW2/
  

  Spoiler: the book argues that “good” religions promote education, connections between people rather than barriers, openness to new ideas, empathy for others, among other characteristics.