i wrote a letter some time ago and to my surprise and despite the elders manual saying that a letter is sufficient for establishing 'wrongdoing' they would not announce me as no longer a jw until i met with 2 elders to verbally acknowledge that the letter was written by me.. .
well yesterday i met with them and the meeting lasted 2 minutes.
"did you write the letter?
Firstly congratulations on a step that you are ready to make.
Personally I’m pleased that they take care to verify a letter. What sort of chaos could ensue if any letter purporting to be from anyone was believed? The elders book probably means a letter that is handed over personally. But as is often the case the elders book is terribly imprecise and open to many interpretations.
so some ex-jws and i were at dinner last night talking about how some of the ones baptized this year were so young.
a few under the age of 10!!
can you imagine if a kid got dfd at that age.... would the congregation shun them?
I wonder if a campaign specifically against the legal right of Watchtower to disfellowship children could gain momentum. Many argue that disfellowshipping in general is a religious freedom and shouldn’t be legally challenged by former JWs. What about DFing children? That seems more difficult to defend morally, and perhaps legally. If Watchtower was legally banned from DFing people under 18 I wonder how they would react.
have you see the latest fashion for jesus in the wt?.
he's sporting a cape, just like superman!maybe caleb can get a t-shirt with a j logo instead of an s.. .
On the fantasy/superhero theme, I heard a comment at the meeting about Jehovah bringing people back to life “with a snap of his fingers” like a superhero (Stone Man, or something) from the latest Avengers film who brings people back to life by snapping his fingers. I thought it was striking someone would actually make this comparison in a meeting.
hello everyone, this is my first strictly historical theme:.
walter f. salter was the overseer of the branch office in canada in years 1918-1936. in 1936 he was dismissed from that function, and in 1937 he was disfellowshipped from the organization.. does anybody know his further history?
did he join any christian denomination?
in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.
we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.
why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?
I was quite surprised to find out something today. i found out that there is significant number of intelligent people who believe that the Patterson film is genuine and have written articles in support of it. If you don’t remember the name, then you will certainly remember the fuzzy video from the 1960s of a man in an Ape costume walking at the edge of a forest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson–Gimlin_film
How can anyone believe that was a real animal and not a human dressed up? I don’t know - the mind boggles.
On the other hand there are many millions of people on the planet who claim to have had experience of God in their lives. If God exists it would stand to reason he would wish to make himself known to people, and many people claim he has done just that, in their lives. Sometimes I have the sense that the world makes sense and that God is the only explanation for why the world exists and why we can perceive the world as existing. I can’t understand how it could be that everything that exists does exist of itself and for no reason outside of itself. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that there should be someone outside of being who called all things that exist into existence for some purpose. And if we look at history and consider religious traditions, I think Christianity has much to recommend itself.
has anyone read the article about the great crowd in the september study watchtower?.
i read an elephant in the room.
is there a change comming?
Initially anyone who was anointed after 1935 was explained as being a “replacement” for pre-1935 anointed who had left the truth, but they have long since abandoned that expanation. There is no official cut off for anointed any more, but in practice any younger person outside of the GB, and GB hopefuls (Paul Gillies still hopeful, or losing hope?) who partakes is viewed with suspicion.
has anyone read the article about the great crowd in the september study watchtower?.
i read an elephant in the room.
is there a change comming?
Anointed were generally supposed to be dedicated, baptised (and anointed) before 1935, not just born before 1935. I think Jack Barr was the last serving GB member to meet this strict qualification: he was born in 1913, baptised in 1934, and died in 2010.
I wonder who was the first GB member who was baptised after 1935? Possibly Raymond Franz, baptised 1939, and appointed in 1971. I think the rest of the the 1971 GB were baptised before 1935. (Although I have not checked)
Of the 1974 intake, Ted Jaracz was baptised after 1935, maybe others too, and increasingly after that.
if it does not have hips it dies if i see it.
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Some credit snakes with prompting the evolution of better eyesight in humans.
... or is that one of our memes?
thanks..
As others have said, JWs don’t talk about it, presumably because it’s embarrasong. Such a contrast with the 1980s when the old “generation” teaching provoked conversation and excitement, at least among some.
Note interesting use of the word “overlapping” in a QFR from 1952:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/40946
Questions From Readers
● Your publications point out that the battle of Armageddon will come in this generation, and that this generation began A.D. 1914. Scripturally, how long is a generation?—G. P., Liberia.
Webster’s unabridged dictionary gives, in part, this definition of generation: “The average lifetime of man, or the ordinary period of time at which one rank follows another, or father is succeeded by child; an age. A generation is usually taken to be about 33 years.” But the Bible is not so specific. It gives no number of years for a generation. And in Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32, the texts mentioning the generation the question refers to, we are not to take generation as meaning the average time for one generation to be succeeded by the next, as Webster’s does in its 33-year approximation; but rather more like Webster’s first-quoted definition, “the average lifetime of man.” Three or even four generations may be living at the same time, their lives overlapping. (Ps. 78:4; 145:4) Before the Noachian flood the life span was hundreds of years. Down through the centuries since, it has varied, and even now is different in different countries. The Bible does speak of a man’s days as being threescore and ten or fourscore years; but it assigns no specific number of years to a generation.—Ps. 90:10.
Even if it did, we could not calculate from such a figure the date of Armageddon, for the texts here under discussion do not say God’s battle comes right at the end of this generation, but before its end. To try to say how many years before its end would be speculative. The texts merely set a limit that is sufficiently definite for all present practical purposes. Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. All the events will come within the span of a generation. There are hundreds of millions of persons living now that were living in 1914, and many millions of these persons could yet live a score or more years. Just when the lives of the majority of them will be cut short by Armageddon we cannot say.
sorry - but can anyone substantiate some truth to this article or is it all a mess?.
https://www.reddit.com/r/jehovahswitnesses/comments/7qhe2p/expos%c3%a9_the_governing_body_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.
can anyone substantiate some truth to this article
Yes, Johnny the bethelite vouches for it, 100%.
