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  Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

  by ukpimo in

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  2. bible

  big news.

  just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

  study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

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  Have the old shunning videos been taken down from the website?

  Are people keeping copies for the record?
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  Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  big news.

  just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

  study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

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  (looks like wt pulled the english august 2024 magazine off the servers...)
  guess they can't make up their minds what kinda macaroni to serve

  I hope people have got copies of it, and the foreign language editions, so we can compare them with whatever is finally released?
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  Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  big news.

  just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

  study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

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  What lie did the devil ever tell? None as far as I can see.

  “You won’t die.” Was the big one.

  I find your comment confusing, because if you are allowing for the narrative details of the Bible as a premise for the question in the first place, then I don’t see how it’s possible to deny that Adam and Eve actually died, and that the statement that they wouldn’t die was therefore a lie. Or what are you saying?

  If you are not using the narrative as the premise of the question, then I don’t know what is the point of saying the devil has never told a lie. He’s never done anything if he doesn’t exist.
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  Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  big news.

  just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

  study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

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  slimboyfat

  I don’t see it on the website yet. What does it mean “released on servers”?

  Has any change been made to an earlier version of the magazine that would explain the delay in publication?

  Have they removed the word disfellowshipping but not the practice? Or are they trying to water the whole thing down?

  It seems a complicated situation but he is my speculation. (We’re allowed to speculate here.)

  I suspect that the GB is divided over whether they want to significantly downgrade the practice of shunning or whether they just want to tinker with the wording and keep shunning practice in place as far as possible. The delay in publication may be a result of wrangling over the precise wording that would reflect either a significant change of policy or otherwise simply continue the practice under a different guise. I suspect the reformers will probably prevail in the end and, whatever the precise wording of this particular Watchtower, future articles, and JWs on the ground, will reduce the level of shunning to a significant extent.

  If that’s the case, then the hardline shunning videos at the conventions of the past 10 years or so do seem a bit jarring in retrospect. I wonder if they will address that at all, or come out with a sort of antidote non-shunning video for example, minus the mea culpa, which they are of course not very good at.
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  Do we have "original" indipendent documents proving that Rutherford was an alcoholic?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was wondering if you could prove with "original" independent documents that rutherford was an alcoholic.... .

  i read penton, but since he is a former jw he could not be considered an independent source.... .

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  I don’t think so. A source commonly cited is Olin Moyle, who became antagonistic toward Rutherford, after having served JWs as their lawyer. There are a couple of letters he wrote and there is a court case at which Fred Franz and others gave testimony, available online.

  Some have claimed to present photos of Rutherford and associates drunk, also probably still online somewhere. Others have disputed this is what they show. Judge for yourself.

  There is circumstantial evidence that Rutherford was at least pro-drink during the Prohibition era, as he described prohibition as Satanic in WT literature of the period. There are claims that JWs illegallly smuggled alcohol from Canada during Prohibition, but I can’t remember the source or the basis for that.

  It seems to me entirely plausible that Rutherford was a hard drinker but I haven’t seen solid evidence for it.

  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  On the other hand, perhaps indifference is what he’d hate most, and his ultimate just deserts as his support drifts ever downward.
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  Alteration of Revelation 3:14 in the 4th century to support the emerging Trinity doctrine

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.

  this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.

  the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.

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  Very interesting Earnest. I recall reading about that and thinking about the striking image of that angel in the Revelation book with the rainbow above his head and one foot on the land and one foot in the sea. I was surprised to find how many Trinitarian commentators also take this angel in Revelation 10 to be a description of Jesus, but presumably “not a created angel” - the usual formulation for acknowledging Jesus as an angel in scripture without admitting the implications of that.

  Interestingly, Charles Gieschen in his book Angelomorphic Christology (1998) lists the NT texts where Jesus is overtly identified as an angel as follows: Gal 4:14; Rev 10:1; 14:14–15; 20:1. He argues that it’s implied elsewhere too (that’s the whole point of his 400+ page book) but again probably with Trinitarian inflection in his case because I gather he’s an evangelical.
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  2024-08-August-Edition-of-Watchtower!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it was translated so make sure everything looks ok.. 2024-08-august-edition of watchtower magazine.. .

  https://smallpdf.com/result#r=c90d948913ed99d72872c0a1c609f388&t=share-document .

  leopold.

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  Not been following this. So, have they accepted gay marriage yet?
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  Alteration of Revelation 3:14 in the 4th century to support the emerging Trinity doctrine

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.

  this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.

  the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.

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  Earnest is very knowledgable about the transmission of the NT text and is fully aware that other manuscripts preserved the original reading that Jesus is “the beginning of the creation of God”. The point I made, and that Earnest agreed with, is that scholars have pointed out that the scribe of the famous Sinaiticus Codex saw fit to change the text in his copy during the crucial period in 4th century when Jesus was being elevated to the Trinity. As Juan Hernández says, the text was apparently viewed as a “problem” in that crucial period.
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  My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

  some highlights: .

  1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

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  July and August = Julius and Augustus Caesar