Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

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  • ukpimo
    ukpimo

    Big news. Just in from a friend who is fading.

    Disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

    Study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:

    We will no longer refer to such ones as being dis-

    fellowshipped. In harmony with Paul’s words recorded at

    1 Corinthians 5:13, we will now refer to them as being re-

    moved from the congregation.


    Additionally, this section of paragraphs has clarified a subtlety that most reprovals will be private, in study 34

    Paragraphs 16 to 18

    “REPROVE BEFORE ALL ONLOOKERS”

    16 Read 1 Timothy 5:20. Paul wrote

    those words to his fellow elder Timothy in connection with how to handle “those

    who practice sin.” What did he mean?

    He did not necessarily mean that the

    whole congregation were the “onlook-

    ers.” Rather, he was referring to those

    few who might already know of the

    sins. They could be eyewitnesses, or

    they could be those whom the wrong-

    doer confided in. The elders would dis-

    creetly make them aware that the matter

    was handled and that the sinner was cor-

    rected.

    In some instances, the wrongdoing

    may have become widely known in the

    congregation or is likely to become

    known. In such a case, the “onlookers”

    17. If a serious sin is widely known in the con-

    gregation or is likely to become known, what an-

    nouncement would be made, and why?

    would include the entire congregation.

    So an elder would announce to the con-

    gregation that the brother or the sister

    has been reproved. Why? Paul answers:

    “As a warning to the rest” not to fall into

    sin.

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    You can access the full and official English pdf here...

    https://d34ji3l0qn3w2t.cloudfront.net/44f15f51-e466-459b-a00f-157dcdc2c095/1/w_E_202408.pdf

    This religion has done a massive turnaround and this is a major reset, to remove an important part of their terminology to protect themselves legally. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

  • Gorb
    Gorb

    The effect is the same. DF and Removed leads to shunning.

    So, we call the rain from now urdidurdi but still getting wet.

    So good to be free from this full sect!!!

    Gorby

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I don’t see it on the website yet. What does it mean “released on servers”?

    Has any change been made to an earlier version of the magazine that would explain the delay in publication?

    Have they removed the word disfellowshipping but not the practice? Or are they trying to water the whole thing down?

    It seems a complicated situation but he is my speculation. (We’re allowed to speculate here.)

    I suspect that the GB is divided over whether they want to significantly downgrade the practice of shunning or whether they just want to tinker with the wording and keep shunning practice in place as far as possible. The delay in publication may be a result of wrangling over the precise wording that would reflect either a significant change of policy or otherwise simply continue the practice under a different guise. I suspect the reformers will probably prevail in the end and, whatever the precise wording of this particular Watchtower, future articles, and JWs on the ground, will reduce the level of shunning to a significant extent.

    If that’s the case, then the hardline shunning videos at the conventions of the past 10 years or so do seem a bit jarring in retrospect. I wonder if they will address that at all, or come out with a sort of antidote non-shunning video for example, minus the mea culpa, which they are of course not very good at.

  • Caminante
    Caminante
    I don’t see it on the website yet. What does it mean “released on servers”?

    On the servers = The Amazon and Akamai-powered cloud infrastructure that hosts the content distribution network behind JW.org website. The publications are first uploaded there, replicated around the server farm for fast access from anywhere in the world. Only after that is the actual website updated (via their in-house content management system) and the publications visible in the usual manner. The URLs to the uploaded publications can be query by the so-called GetPubMediaLinks API call.

    Has any change been made to an earlier version of the magazine that would explain the delay in publication?

    The magazine was rewritten from scratch since Governing Body Update #2, even though the earlier version was ready for printing. The actual English language edition of the August Watchtower went to print today.

    Have they removed the word disfellowshipping but not the practice? Or are they trying to water the whole thing down?

    Yes, it's all word games. "Removed from the congregation" instead of "disfellowshipping", "committees of elders" instead of "judicial committees". One relevant change though is the discontinuation of warning talks if someone is marked for "walking disorderly", because now each individual Christian can decide for themselves whether to mark such a person, not just the elders.

  • FragrantAddendum
    FragrantAddendum

    the entire watchtower "judicial" procedure is an abomination to god

    those wt hierarchy leaders have no authority from god to do what they're doing

    no authority

    whether they call it "disfellowshipping" or whether they don't

    either way their very existence as a hierarchy with a "governing body" and other able-bodied wt "servants" and their "special vow of full time service" mooching off the congregation

    having secret meetings behind closed doors where the result of that meeting cuts off people from their entire social group

    the verdict is often decided before they even hold the meeting

    bethel is a pit of snakes where they work it out who's going to lie about what

    In harmony with Paul’s words recorded at

    1 Corinthians 5:13, we will now refer to them as being re-

    moved

    watchtower's being removed

    good riddance

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro
    Disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

    Semantic nonsense. Congregation members haven’t been informed whether a person is ‘disfellowshipped’ or ‘disassociated’ for about 30 years anyway, or why. They just announce that the person is “no longer one of Jehovah’s witnesses”.

    Will governments such as that of Norway actually be fooled by this weak chicanery?

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    slimboyfat:

    I don’t see it on the website yet. What does it mean “released on servers”?

    It means the Streisand effect has struck again 🤣

  • St George of England
    St George of England
    I suspect that the GB is divided over whether they want to significantly downgrade the practice of shunning or whether they just want to tinker with the wording and keep shunning practice in place as far as possible.

    AMIII said in the Norway video that we will never change our policy on disfellowshipping. A year and a half later changes are being made and AMII has "gone". Probably what all the fuss was about.

    George

  • FragrantAddendum
    FragrantAddendum

    https://www.jw.org/download/?pub=w&issue=202408&langwritten=e

    https://d34ji3l0qn3w2t.cloudfront.net/44f15f51-e466-459b-a00f-157dcdc2c095/1/w_E_202408.pdf

    watchtower writers are so full of crap

    they are not jehovah's witnesses

    they're liars, like their father the devil




  • nicolaou
    nicolaou
    FragrantAddendum: watchtower writers are so full of crap, they are not jehovah's witnesses they're liars, like their father the devil.

    What lie did the devil ever tell? None as far as I can see.

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