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  The Apostles Creed vs. Watchtower

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the apostles creed could be recited in less than a minute in latin.

  it was like an ancient youtube video clip: christianity in less than a minute.

  it is very ancient, reaching back to the 200's.

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  slimboyfat

  Many of your observations are not factual or miss the point. For example, Watchtower has described Jesus as “our Lord” many hundreds of times, as any search will show.

  And JWs do use the biblical phrase “God the Father”. What they don’t do is follow the Trinitarian inflection of pairing it with the non-biblical phrase “God the Son”, and the habit of divorcing the phrase from its context, such as instances where Paul refers to “God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” showing that even as Lord, Jesus looks to another as his God; or 1 Cor 8.6 where “God the Father” is equated with the “one God” of the Bible, rather than merely one person of the one God, as per Trinitarian dogma.

  And JWs agree that Jesus was in Hell/Hades for three days, they just have a different understanding of what that means.

  In all I think JWs could agree with most of the Apostles Creed. There’s no Trinity in it at all, which is striking, but should not be entirely surprising because the Trinity hadn’t been invented yet.
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  "Johnny The Bethelite" - VINDICATED!

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  years ago rick fearon hosted on his six screens podcast a person identified as "johnny the bethelite" who talked about goings-on in watchtower headquarters.. johnny talked about the experiments with cart work.. johnny talked about pedophiles and child pornography in jw headquarters.. people claimed "johnny" was a fraud.

  a fake.

  cart work is everywhere.

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  slimboyfat

  Um, I think you’re leaving some stuff out there, Nathan 😆
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  JWs and the Lord's Prayer

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how often do you hear the lord's prayer at the meetings or in jw homes?.

  i don't know if they revised their stance with the new leaders in america, but i don't recall it having much weight when i were a wee'un.. i think the nwt said, 'pray then, this way....'.

  so, jesus gave instructions on how to pray, as in actual words to say.......so the jws don't?

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  slimboyfat

  They recited the Lord’s Prayer until the 1940s, or 1950s in some places. Nowadays they emphasise putting prayer into your own words and not reciting repetitious prayers as Jesus warned against.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  slimboyfat

  Did he really say lifesaving work?

  More like funding a low-life to evade work.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  slimboyfat

  Minus 400 patrons later

  In total (don’t know the livestream in particular) according to the graphtreon site his peak was 896 patrons and he’s now on 329, so that’s down 567 patrons, or down 63%. He’s added some YouTube members apparently, to offset that, very slightly.

  https://graphtreon.com/creator/cedars
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  slimboyfat

  Probably indicative of the kind of people inclined to keep sending him patron money too, over 300 of them. The mind boggles, even though it's down from nearly 900 it's still a remarkable number.

  YouTuber Boogie lost 90% of his patrons and over 90% of his audience when he unmasked himself, but it took a few years. That's probably where LE is ultimately headed. Even when he stops YouTube altogether there will probably still be 5% sending him money, and he'll keep collecting as long as they're stupid enough to keep sending it.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  slimboyfat

  That video was terrible, even at the time, I can’t see how his followers didn’t see that. He basically said: “she doesn’t want to do a video but here I am forcing her to do it anyway”, in the car while she couldn’t escape, she looked miserable. His excuse was that his patrons voted for it, so by his logic she had to do it.
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  Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.

  i tasked a.i.

  with a pro vs con proposition.

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  lol I believe it was probably along those lines, but it was particularly impressive that AI could lipread Trump even when Kamala Harris’s husband’s head was in the way 😆
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  Is Jesus a Created Being? Debate with a Pastor

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://youtu.be/ro6q_osgkns?si=hyxualluhruwvjnb.

  —colossians 1:15 from the nwt says it plain as day: “he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation.” that’s not vague; it’s got a punch.

  “firstborn” and “creation” sit side by side, and in greek, that second word is “ktisis,” which means the physical stuff—trees, stars, you name it.

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  slimboyfat

  Totally agree. The phrase “firstborn of all creation” is so clear in explaining who Jesus is that it took centuries of Trinitarian dogma to attempt to obscure its plain meaning. The passage in Colossians is drawing on the Jewish wisdom tradition which also describes God’s first creation. It includes the parallel thought that Jesus is “the firstborn from the dead”. In other words, just as Jesus was God’s first creation, so also Jesus is the first human (“the firstborn among many brothers” Rom 8.29) who God raised from the dead to immortality. In context Jesus is also called the image of God, the beginning, and the one by whom God created all things. Such emphatic language is no doubt why most church goers when surveyed in fact agree with JWs that Jesus is God’s first creation, exalted in power and glory, no ordinary angel, but second only to God himself.
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  Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.

  i tasked a.i.

  with a pro vs con proposition.

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  slimboyfat

  I fully agree with TD that AI doesn’t deliver fact. I happen to agree with the summary it produced about Nordstream 2 in this instance, and I think the reasons it gave are pretty sound. It could equally have given a wrong view and poor reasons if it happened to draw upon material offering those.
  To me it’s simply amazing that AI now produces something resembling language at all. Sometimes it even produces language that passes for meaningful responses, and at other times it makes weird mistakes that underline it doesn’t really “understand” anything in the way that we understand the world. That having been said, it doesn’t need to “understand” anything in order to be frighteningly effective and dangerous. Just as AI can beat all humans at chess without understanding what chess even is, so it can (and probably will) eliminate all humans without any malice or grand scheme behinds its actions.