Posts by Etude

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

Etude

And, mP, when you say: "You must understand that the translators have selected 'circle' so it would appear the Bible is accurate", you need to realize that many translations, almost as many who mention "circle" actually don't use the word "circle" in those texts. I don't know the exact reason but in some cases it is to be more generic or perhaps even poetic in the translation. Using your premise as a basis, I could argue that the translations that didn't use the word "circle" deliberately omitted it in order to conform to the common belief that Earth was flat and deny the reality that would have threatened their theology. After all, the Catholic church fought all efforts to suggest otherwise. Don't you think there would have been other religious contingencies that would have wanted the same?

So, to sum it all up, I'm not arguing anything in regards to the "inspiration" and the veracity of the Bible. That's a big leap I think some of you have made regarding my declaration against the suggestion that the Bible doesn't mention that the Earth is round. And I'm not suggesting that because the Bible may agree with reality in one instance that it is not riddled with fallacies or that it arrived at that reality correctly.

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

Etude

Whoa, that's a lot of stuff coming at me. It's all good. The reason I cited several texts and several translations (I didn't cite all that I found) is to suggest that when many different scholars translate a word as "circle", they're probably alluding to a common idea, perhaps more than a round area in the ocean or on the ground (since the horizon does not seem to curve down or up from any particular perspective). I shouldn't have said in post #201: " But you can't have a circle anywhere near a flat surface. " What I meant to say is that a circle should not be equated with a flat surface with corners (alluding to the "corners of the Earth" saying and assuming that by "Earth" we mean the ground and the oceans, lakes, rivers, etc).

I assume (and not because of the Jeehoovees) that if a circle is mentioned, it would infer at least a round Earth because mention of "corners" in our discussion was being used by some here as an indication that they (the bible people) believed the Earth was flat (and probably square). I use "corners of the Earth" precisely for the reasons you mention, King Solomon. Did you miss that? And if I say: "My heart goes out to you" it is for the same reasons and not because I'm offering you a transplant or have another organ that is anything but figurative and metaphorical. I'm a monist and know that I "feel" with my brain chemistry.

I don't whether or not the Bible is purposefully being metaphorical by using the terms "corners". That's why I said that if some believed the Earth was round, the people who wrote Genesis may not have believed the same. I'm simply suggesting that, along with other cultures, some may have believed or known the Earth was round (spherical). To say that such conclusion is invalid because it's fabricated to support an argument is no less valid that to suggest it is not a valid conclusion without producing specific contrary evidence. In this case, I do believe that the idea of "circle" in the Bible inferring a spherical Earth is at least open to interpretation.

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hello I recently got away from the so called "truth" looking for people to talk to

by LuLu4YouYou in

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friends

hello my name is louis.

i have seperated myself from the jws and am looking for people to talk to.

i dont have many people in my life who will even speak to me anymore or even acknowledge that i exist.

Etude

Well, I'm not a lawyer. But it seems to me that you would eventually have to end up in court and argue your situation to get your kids back. I would judge that you made a good decision to have someone else care for them while you were strung out. If you've cleaned up your life, you should be able to demonstrate that you are now a responsible and that you can provide the right care for them. If some significant time has gone by, you may want to ask the kids if they want to live with you, just to get a feel for the situation. You can also assess how difficult the family member with control can make things for you. But don't say anything until you're ready to make several moves ahead of the other person.

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Dang: 9 years

by FlyingHighNow in

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friends

i just realized this is my 9th jwd/jwn anniversary.

what a long strange trip it's been.

i am very grateful to simon and ang for providing this site.

Etude

Congratulations! After having been away for a while, I came back only to find that I signed up a little over 10 years ago. And Armageddon hasn't come yet!

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vote poster Raypublisher ; WT EXPOSED OF THE MONTH

by JunkYardDog in

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this guy did a hell of a job recording his jc.

and slamming the elder in part 4 if his series of youtube's known as jwstruggles.

i take my hat off to this guy.

Etude

Can I vote twice or more? "Balths ath big ath churchbelths!"

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hello I recently got away from the so called "truth" looking for people to talk to

by LuLu4YouYou in

jw
friends

hello my name is louis.

i have seperated myself from the jws and am looking for people to talk to.

i dont have many people in my life who will even speak to me anymore or even acknowledge that i exist.

Etude

Louis, that's a major saga you just posted. Welcome to this site and know that many people here have also had major upheavals in their lives. You can take comfort in that the majority have been able to heal and go forward in life. I know you can get your kids back. With a good start and clean life, it would be the best revenge for those who are now indoctrinating your kids and possibly exposing them to abuse. Hang in there. Vent, vent, vent. We're listening.

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I've entered the embarrassing stage of pregnancy - let's have a laugh :)

by freshstart in

so as you get farther along in your pregnancy and you get bigger and bigger, certain bodily functions are hard to control.

the other day my husband, son and i went out for a nice lunch.

we were dressed up and really enjoying ourselves, when it happened.

Etude

Let it rip!

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Blood Cards :Now they ask for photocopy of the signed document

by raymond frantz in

we have been asked for a photocopy for each of our family's blood signed cards for the congragation's secretary records .we 've never been asked before ,is this a new thing ?

does anyone know more about it ?.

Etude

You vill show your papers and you vill like it.

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

Etude

Actually I found that many cultures in ancient times reasoned that the Earth was "round", especially those advanced enough (the Hindus way back when) to do astral observations. Their observations revealed it to them. The Greeks suspected it as far back as the 6th Century B.C. and established it by the 3rd Century during the Helenistic period.

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

Etude

King Solomon, right. But you can't have a circle anywhere near a flat surface. So it stands to reason that the reference to the circle meant a sphere because a circle does not have any corners. So, corners must be metaphorical. I use the term "corners of the Earth" even though I know better.