Aude_Sapere

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  funeral again

  by kilroy2 in

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  well my wife's grandmother died a couple of days ago.

  the services will be on monday, anne ritchie, not that it is not expected she was 90. not exactly a spring chicken.. my problem is two fold, my wife's parents have not contacted her or tried to contact her for quite some time.

  and when they do her mother stops by her place of work unannounced for "a chat", so now that my wife's mother has lost her best friend [donna never cut the cord] she calls my wife for the funeral, i personally do not want her to go, but i cant tell my wife not to go, and i would like to be there to support her, but after my mother died, and i had to sit through a propaganda speech when it was supposed to be about my families loss.

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  I believe that you have to do what you feel is the right thing for you - first and foremost.

  Secondly, I believe that we attend funerals to show support and comfort for survivors. If your spouse feels very alone at a this time, it may be a great gesture to attend if for no other reason to support her.

  If you feel that you want to honor the grandmother in another (more personal) manner, maybe organize that. Keep yourself occupied getting ready for the real memorial of her life that can be held for her closest friends following the cold, impersonal informercial at the Kingdom Hall.

  I feel for you. And for your wife. I hope Grandma is enjoying herself. Somehow 90 just doesn't seem as old as it used to...

  -Aude.
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  Number of magazines trashed by Publishers

  by Nosferatu in

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  this was in the "dumbed down awake!

  " thread:sure enough, the figure represents the number of magazines printed, not circulated.

  it makes me wonder if the average magazine placements recorded in the km each month is actually magazines placed or the number of magazines printed, or shipped out of bethel.. .

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  Recycling: I seem to recall the society recycling before it was hip to do so. Seemed more frugal than enviromentally responsible at the time.

  Trashed Mags: Whether I was pioneering or just regular or irregular! publisher, I think I only ran out of magazines maybe 1/2 a dozen times in my life. I always had leftovers. Cumulatively over time, I think I tossed out more mags then I placed. Pretty certain of it, in fact.

  Crumpet: *sigh*. I remember the same 'joys' you recall from your childhood and teen years. I remember my brother gloating about how many mags he placed. I remember feeling proud that I recorded (legitimately) 12 or 15 hours. It seems so sad now. We really were odd little kids.

  -Aude.
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  The Dumbed Down Awake Sinks Lower ( May 8)

  by metatron in

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  the latest awake has, on its final inside page, a section called "for family review" that consists of questions.

  that witless families can ask their kids after they've read the magazine.

  this new feature follows questions.

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  I've always thought they did the awake so the dubs wouldn't look to any other sources for leisure reading. If they are going to control everything their followers read, they better come up with fluff, too. Otherwise, somebody might be tempted to read something forbidden.

  I think you are right-on with this.

  Also, it gave something more placeable than just the WT which many householders don't want. Dont want to talk gloom and doom every single minute, do we??

  Like Jenniebeanz said, I also would tuck the WT inside the Awake and leave them as a pair.

  -Aude.
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  I'm writing my disassociation letter to the elders. Any advice on wording?

  by swiftbreeze in

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  Aude_Sapere

  Sometimes the healing is in the writing itself.

  You could write a letter and post it here (or not). I doubt the elders would actually read it if you handed them a multi-page letter. And like several others have noted, it might come back to haunt you.

  -Aude.
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  Hi There

  by Quentin in

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  parents became jws 1953. i grew up under the old congregation regime, congregation overseer, assistant overseer and theocratic ministry school overseer, along with assorted ms. father df 1956 reinstated 1962. i was baptized ?63.

  in 1972 was being groomed for ms position in new kh until i married a girl who was?gasp!!!

  ?only an ?interested person?, that is to say she was ?just studying?, divorced too (another gasp!!

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  Aude_Sapere

  Hi Quentin -

  Glad to have you join us.

  I am not aware of any WTS guideline for 'who gets the literature' when someone dies. I think it was more likely that his ministry partner felt that you would not value the material the same way he would.

  Sorry for the added strain put on you with that. Odd people.

  -Aude.
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  1975 Believers 101

  by JAVA in

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  a believer of a conviction is a hard person to change.

  tell a believer you disagree with them and he?ll run away.

  show him the facts and figures, and he?ll question the source.

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  Is there a link to Brenda Lee's Newsletter?

  -Aude.
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  You know you're from New Jersey when..........

  by Soledad in

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  you've been seriously injured at action park.

  you know that the only people who call it "joisey" are from new york (usually the bronx) or texas.

  you don't think of citrus when people mention "the oranges.

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  OMG -

  I know you!!

  And you know me. Jeff Vaz (with a 'z') and Tara were good friends of mine. I know the Hill's too.

  you have a pm

  -Aude.
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  1975 Believers 101

  by JAVA in

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  a believer of a conviction is a hard person to change.

  tell a believer you disagree with them and he?ll run away.

  show him the facts and figures, and he?ll question the source.

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  The Bible says that God doesn't forget the work we've done on his behalf. Well I am sure God will forget any good that I did. I don't believe God wants a loser. I am spiritually ill in need of comfort and yet I can't find solace and I sure as hell am not ever ever going to step my feet in a KH ever ever again. I will die first.

  OFC:

  Wow. I know this feeling. But I had a different take on it.

  I said a honest prayer to Jehovah when I left my last meeting. I cannot participate in this madness any longer. I cannot sit inside a KH and condone what I'm seeing and hearing. I don't know what I'll do but Jehovah, you know my heart. You know better than I do why I must leave.

  At the time I believed that he saw my deep sincerity. The sacrifices I made for love of my God. Not for a pay-off in the New System. I believed that, like a child who does wrong but believes in his heart that he was doing something really special for mommy, Jehovah would understand and re-educate me. Or them. Eventually.

  I don't think I believe in the same god anymore. I consider myself more of an agnostic. But I do understand the feelings behind your words. I'm glad you shared that.

  -Aude.
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  You know you're from New Jersey when..........

  by Soledad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you've been seriously injured at action park.

  you know that the only people who call it "joisey" are from new york (usually the bronx) or texas.

  you don't think of citrus when people mention "the oranges.

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  CHRIS Schiefle !! (How could I forget the name 'Chris'?? )

  He'd been around forever.

  People we would meet in service remembered him from the early, early years. (and not in a nice way!) He made some serious enemies in that area. Bergenfield was a hotbed of persecution for the witnesses in the 20's - 40's. I think Chris probably instigated quite a lot of it. LOL.
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  You know you're from New Jersey when..........

  by Soledad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you've been seriously injured at action park.

  you know that the only people who call it "joisey" are from new york (usually the bronx) or texas.

  you don't think of citrus when people mention "the oranges.

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  Aude_Sapere

  Nina -

  Paul & Clio Schiefle (sp) His parents were around in the 30's but I forget their names

  Peter & Lillian Heller <in-laws of Malcom Vigo - Branch overseer in Africa>

  Herman <forget his last name, big tall guy>

  Ingrid Katronis

  I think these people were probably around during that time. And my time :-)

  Nice photo, btw. It's fun to see the old pics even if you don't know the people personally...!

  -Aude.